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A thought on war

Discussion in 'Discussion' started by ZapCrusher, Jun 17, 2014.

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  1. ZapCrusher

    ZapCrusher Well-Known Member

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    Hello, it's zap, again, I have been wondering for the longest of times to finally create this thread, as I have had mixed thoughts in my mind for the last couple of months, and I am sure some of you guys do too.

    Let's start with my favorite server, mc-war

    Mc-War, is my favorite minecraft server without doubt.
    It had a great community, which has fallen rapidly over a small amount of time.

    Donating
    Donating, is what keeps servers alive, and is a good and bad part of any server.
    Some people, yell "donor noob", which, in all honesty, is not a bad thing at all.
    Donating shows you care enough for the server to buy something, money>pixelated object.


    Donations, are needed to keep a server alive, and nobody would donate if there would be a reward for donating. There is a fine line between an advantage and pay2win, and some of the items on the list of donations are more pay2win than giving a advantage.

    Take the minigun, for example, which most people, call nooby, I see as a good player who loves the server.
    Everyone who says "minigun noob" is mainly whom?
    Not the person who doesn't have the mini gun, but, the person who hates to be bested by a balanced weapon.

    Guns, like the crossbow, are "pay2win"
    The main arguement against this is it takes time to pull back the bow.
    Now go watch a joeymast video.
    Others say the arch nerfs it, which is not true seeing as both can be mastered as easily as the other.
    This gun basicly makes the user invincible.
    It
    A: Allows for players to jump and shoot easily, making maps like plaza very overpowered for the crossbow.
    B: It always kills if hit. (Unless armor is bought)
    C: Op Range
    D: No reload time
    E: Makes the whole area a minefield. Nobody can rush and kill someone with a crossbow because the area is spammed away.

    The Fix: Put a reload on the crossbow, making it less spamable.

    I am very saddened, at the skill level of mc-war has dropped.
    People are leveling up faster and faster now because of the crossbow, and people who cannot buy it are left in the dust, even farther away.

    One of the only people, who has not donated, and is still one of the best players to date is @Jared252525
    This man is living proof you CAN be good without your "nooby minigun"

    And with that, I leave you a question.
    Why, do you use a crossbow (If you have it)
     
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  2. DarkElixir

    DarkElixir Well-Known Member

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    Meh I honestly am fine with the way the server is, sure theirs cbow spammers, raygun people and raging players but for me, I can still play and have fun. Although I do agree with you about a crossbow relload time. It would help balancing out the gun. I rarely see players calling "minigun noobs" but I guess thats just because Im on a different server (1).
     
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  3. Scoat2

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    I agree that the cross bow needs a reload time. However, if you want some tips on how to not get killed by the crossbow, I've got a few tips.

    If you see explosions on the ground, arrows flying one after another around a corner and creating a "minefield" either wait for it to stop, or go a different way. Also avoid cramped areas with lots of players in them. It's pretty simple.

    I follow these tips, and I hardly find myself getting killed by the cbow.
     
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    againwenttolevel90withoutdonations

    I generally don't use the crossbow. If I do, its actually for more open maps like warsong just to use something different.Maps like that are less broken by the crossbow.
     
  5. GlobalistCuck

    GlobalistCuck Well-Known Member

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    Great idea, just one thing missing.
    You haven't left an address or email account so you can recieve all the hate mail when the crossbow gets nerfed :V
     
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  6. ZapCrusher

    ZapCrusher Well-Known Member

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    I understand this, but, all players don't know this.
     
  7. GlobalistCuck

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    I agree. It's statements like this that make me miss the old days of September 2013 when @bolt4thewin could double nuke Warsong_CTF without spamming the bow at all. Man those were the best days of my entire Brawl experience...

    @ZapCrusher you are talking about people like Jared being a really skilled player who doesn't donate and I agree, but think on this:

    Wouldn't the ultimately skilled player (@meltingangel) be able to play really well with non-donor weapons and not complain about the donor weapons, because they are getting better with something like skullcrusher or dissasembler while the person who spams the crossbow isn't improving?

    So, really the way I see it; they're not cheating you, they're cheating themselves out of progress.
     
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  8. ZapCrusher

    ZapCrusher Well-Known Member

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    That's my problem. I don't want the server to be filled with nobody good. I want a challenge, and so do others.
     
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  9. GlobalistCuck

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    Well OK, then here's another way to look at it: These crossbow spamming 'noobs' provide a challenge to overcome, an obstacle to get around on the path to becoming a better MC-War player and having fun while you're at it?

    I'm just trying to offer an optimistic solution here :smile:
     
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  10. ZapCrusher

    ZapCrusher Well-Known Member

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    Your solutions are correct, but, unless we are playing a ghost map, then there won't be flanks everywhere to kill a cbow spammer.
     
  11. F1r3tar

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    I agree on your view of the C-Bow, but what about the other donor stuff like Ray-gun and c4?
     
  12. ZapCrusher

    ZapCrusher Well-Known Member

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    1. Isn't c4 getting a damage nerf?
    2. The ray gun is getting a nerf, where I believe the explosion will happen only if you hit a zombie
     
  13. GlobalistCuck

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    Some maps are more susceptible to crossbow spamming that is true, but how many really are there?

    Shipment... 2fort... Plaza... Meltdown(maybe)...Subbase(in my opinion) maybe a handful of others? Considering that we have a massive amount of maps, I really don't think it too much to ask to begrudge these crossbow spammers a handful of these maps to nuke on?

    Take a map like Favela or Village. Village is very open, maybe susceptible to spamming in one or two areas, but easily avoidable. Favela is different, lots of building very tightly packed, but with so many streets and so many rooftops available for sniping, it is really very easy to outwit the Common Crossbow Spammer.
     
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    You can easily avoid a crossbow spammer, but eventually they'll get their free EMP and nuke, unless you actually want to stop them.
     
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    A: Jumping and shooting is hardly an advantage. Also, a MAP making it op? What about every other map that isnt good for a cbow?
    B:True, but so does an iso or any other sniper with a headshot
    C: Op Range? Less range than most auto's and WAY less range than any sniper.
    D: No reload time, but pulling back the string is much slower than an auto being fired at you.
    E. I have never been on a map where so many people were spamming it that I couldnt even walk without getting blown up.

    Also, it doesnt make anyone invincible. Trust me, you will most likely die a lot when using it.
    I own one, and I hardly use it because it ruins my kdr.
    Also, a level gap will always exist. Should we take out VIP or MVP because it allows more experience to be given? No.
    Just because someone has a crossbow, doesnt mean they will automatically become a god of mc-war. Trust me, I see lvl 15's using the cbow just shooting it left and right and then he gets killed oh so easily because he doesnt know how to handle a bow. The Cbow is balanced in my opinion. The only reason people see it as a problem is because
    1. They dont own one
    2. They hate being killed by one
    Thats it.
    I think that it should stay the way it is.
     
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  16. teawithchoco

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    Ikr, I see now people with very high level and who are obviously donors.
    Although there is some players who just play well ( like me ) but who don't level up that fast, the only donor thing that I have is scavenger which is necessary at all times.
    Although the community as matured in recent times, people less complain and discuss more than raging.
     
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    I agree with scoat. The crossbow does need reload time (lol i also used his tips way b4 he said that)
     
  18. specknav

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    Well you seeeee... I saw a video of joeymast99 using it and I uh.. Kinda just bought it even though I'm really really bad with it :smile:
     
  19. SoMuchWinning

    SoMuchWinning Well-Known Member

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    C-bow can be easily spammed even with macros. I am sure about that. Then imagine running with a M16 into a guy with superarmor, macro and c-bow. The game is broken.
     
  20. blankbots

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    Some maps are completly broken by it while others it is fine.
    Take hijacked and dome. You can spam explosive projectiles over cover and just get free kills as people leave from spawn.
     
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