The ranks being gone, LISTEN

Probaly not me...

 

I think they should

They ARE Important

 

They need to stay. I worked so hard for WEPro like, people who wanna "merge" the servers together don't understand the effort we have put in our rank apps.

 

At least no ranks means it's fair for everyone.

 

You don't understand. I don't know about everyone but, I worked so hard to get WEPro and "merging" Creative and Minecraft Build together seems really unfair to me for these reasons:

1) If everyone gets world edit, that means I basically worked so hard for nothing. Some people who aren't even that of an experienced builder will be able to use world edit.

2) If the "merging" the 2 servers together will get rid of all the plots that we've worked on, it's like we wasted our time on the plot that we have built on.

Hard to explain everything, but it's just really not fair for those who have worked really hard to get their rank. I don't want this "merging" to happen. I want Creative the way it is.

 

What part of the ranks do you want to keep?

If you want to keep the ranks because they're a status symbol, then that's absolutely the wrong reason to want to keep them.

If you want to keep ranks because they limited world edit to users who would be responsible with it, that's understandable. However, if MCB is able to handle giving all users limited access to world edit, why not do so?

For example, all players would have a default 5k block limit (i.e., a max of 5k blocks can be edited at once), a limit of 15 (20?) for anything that requires a radius (cyl, fill, sphere, etc.), and are unable to edit gravel/sand/water/lava/etc. For players who could be trusted to not crash the server, they would have a less limited access to world edit.

And that's a problem... Why? If they're only allowed limited access to world edit so they can't crash the server, I don't see why they shouldn't be able to use world edit.

I don't know what's going to happen, but I'm confident in saying that plots won't be deleted without you first having the option to save stuff. If you're super concerned about it, get a world downloader mod and download your plot!

 

Why did I work so hard to get WEPro if all I wanted was a status? That's stupid. You wouldn't understand why I'm trying so hard to keep the ranks. I get that everyone will be able to use world edit which may be a good thing for some of you, but for me it seems like we just wasted our time putting so much effort into our applications. Ugh, you don't understand how much time and effort I put into MY WEPro Application. I want Creative to stay the way it is.

 

Agreed. Another thing that urks me is the 30,000 block limit. 30,000 might sound like a lot, but in terms of volume it's not.

The way it is right now, anyone can climb up the ranks if they put some effort into it. I'm very busy with school, work, finals, and I'm not even a very outstanding builder. But I was still able to put enough effort into it to become WEPro, and now that effort is going to become null. I don't know how well this worked on McPvP, but I find it hard to imagine you guys didn't go without at least a few incidents. The reason we don't have universal worldedit here, is because people will certainly abuse it. The 30k limit might prevent them from crashing the server, but small scale disruptions will happen. Lemme tell you, 30,000 chests does bad things to your framerate.

Additionally, working for your ranks proves your dedication and loyalty to the server. If someone is just going to leave after a few days, there's no real purpose to give that person worldedit.

 

I apologize - I wasn't directing my comment about the ranks as a status symbol towards you. I was directing it towards the general attitude of players on the build server earlier. I was watching chat, and I got the impression that many players were loath to give up ranks because they viewed them as a status symbol.

I'm trying to understand why you want to keep ranks so badly. That's why I keep posting to this topic. =(

You're right about that. We definitely had a few incidents, but we learned from them and prevented those incidents from happening again.

Inversely, what if a player joins a build server hoping to use world edit immediately, only to find that they're unable to do so? There's no real purpose in staying. What's to prevent them from leaving and building with world edit in single player? Let's face it, on a build server, world edit is an integral part of making any sort of large scale build and limiting access to it impedes players.

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Correct me if I'm wrong, but the two main reasons for wanting to keep ranks is that you guys put a lot of time and effort into getting the ranks you have today, effort that you don't want to be wasted, and concern about world edit being abused to crash the server if all players had access to it.

I understand that you guys don't want your time and effort put into getting ranks to be wasted. I get that. I do. Hell, I'm even feeling something similar. The server I spent two and a half years on died, and for half of the time I spent on MCPVP, I was a moderator. I put in a lot of time and effort, and while I'm excited that Brawl is carrying on CTF, Build, and HG, but I can't help but feel as though I lost something.

And you know what, maybe an admin will pop in here to say that ranks will be preserved and this whole discussion will be for nothing, but having experienced a server with no ranks and world edit access for everyone, it's a really great thing I hope continues.

 

Of course ranks should stay. It would be chaos without, would everyone have WE? How many plots would everyone have? There are people on creative who would abuse WE if they got there hands on it.

 

Just please. Please leave Creative the way it is.

 

On the actual BUILD server, ranks ruin the point. The entire purpose of build is to give everyone world edit. If we keep plots I would love to have ranks there, but on build I think ranks should no stay.

 

You make a good point here, and I've actually brought this up before because a lot of people are overly strict about rank applications here. I think ranks should be easy to get, but I also think they should exist, it's a good way to weed out the bad sorts of players. However, while singleplayer building is in almost every way superior to multiplayer building (because of limits, rules, etc.), I absolutely loathe singleplayer Minecraft, and I know I'm not the only one. And I'm not sure but I think Brawl only accepts maps/builds for their servers built on the creative server now? I might be wrong about that, if someone would confirm/correct this that would be great.

I would also argue that while Worldedit is necessary for large scale building, it's not necessary for good building. You don't have to start out with a huge build, in fact, I wouldn't reccomend it. Starting small is the best way to go, I learned that one the hard way.

Also remember that there are some people with WorldEdit who are willing to help. I've been a bit busy irl lately, but when I am on, I usually have time to do WorldEdits for people.

 

I've been on build every now and then back in MCPVP and the lag wasn't that bad nor the frame rates. The ranks shouldn't stay in my opinion.

I GET that you guys have worked hard on your applications on getting those ranks, but let's think about this.

Having a 30,000 blocks for a plot is perfect for creating maps for game modes. I know it seems unfair that after all the time you spent to get those ranks, but this will allow new players to use world edit commands. Of course there's certain restrictions on world edit and I'm sure they'll put a limit on how many blocks are allowed to be created. As Bird stated:

Giving new players and other regulars world edit without filling the application means more possibilities for them to contribute to creating maps for game modes or even host build events for that matter. This gives them the chance to do this without having to fill an application.

Again, I understand you guys worked hard for this, but letting others the chance to use world edit seems fair.

Minecraft Build was used for people to build maps and hopefully be able to contribute to the server. It was a cool thing back in Minecraft Build. You guys might like it. I haven't experienced anything bad about how people have WE on MCB back then on MCPVP. So why not try it out?


It just provides players a way to be 'creative' and maybe in the future have their maps in game modes.
It doesn't matter if you have a rank just for you to be able to contribute or create something in a mere few weeks because of the commands you have, what matters is that everyone should have a chance to contribute something with the same benefits as someone with a rank on creative (I think that made sense, sorry if it didn't as I'm terrible at sentence structure). Some players without a rank are actually decent at building. So why not let everyone have the chance to learn and be able to 'build' their skills with WE? It helps.

As stated before this is just my opinion on things.

 

You said what if a person joined creative and they wanted to use worldedit immediately. Thats the way it was on The Plotworld creative server and we had ZERO Problems with that situation.


ALSO, I can see that you are trying top keep things to what your definition of 'fair' is. It would not be fair. What about the 500+ People who have ranks? Would it be fair to them? 500+ Is like half the creative server man. Would it be fair to the WEPros? Will it be fair to the We2's? When I got AdvBuilder, @soccerstars was a WE2. He got WEPro like when I was a WE1. It took like a months, and it took me like 7 months to get wepro. Fair, or nah?

 

We know you guys worked hard for this, but new players and those without these ranks will have a positive outcome for this. In my opinion, I don't really see the point of people with ranks only receiving the benefit of WE in a creative server anyways. I'm sure 30,000 blocks (that's one plot or world if you wanna call it) for a player to use. I believe back on MC Build new players only have one plot and if you wanted another plot you needed to have VIP or above. Quantity isn't everything. Sure 500+ people having a rank, but it's nice to give new players and others without a rank, a chance to use World Edit. Most new players can become great builders and get the hang of World Edit. It's just a great system giving new players WE, as it gives them the potential to create large maps to contribute for the gamemodes (like CTF, SG etc.) without having the hassle to build by hand (which btw is a very long damn time with having to make CTF maps symmetrical). Why not give this a try and see how it works out .

 

Why does brawl feel obliged to destroy an entire server that has thousands of players daily for one that gets less than hundreds daily? Creative was perfect, and for some reason staff decide to remove all our builds just for this new server? I am undoubtedly quitting Creative if these changes reset everything.
This is change is ill-minded. Build should either be separate or merged with Creative, not replacing it. I speak on the behalf of almost the entire creative community.

 

You have the chance to save your builds using world edit

https://www.brawl.com/threads/39334/ <- Quoted from here (6th post)

If you want more info on what MCBuild is like here's a post created by @Rhoske:
https://www.brawl.com/threads/39090/

 

I surely doubt it. There is going to be literally only one CM and hundreds of requests. Also, I still don't see how Build is actually superior to Creative.