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Ray gun/Demolisher shouldn't be nerfed. Here's why.

Discussion in 'Discussion' started by SoMuchWinning, Apr 23, 2016.

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  1. SoMuchWinning

    SoMuchWinning Well-Known Member

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    The Ray gun is a the same price as the rest of donators weapons, yet it is only effective in 1 game mode - infected. While other donator weapons such as minigun or flamethrower have more uses.

    And people don't seem to be complaining about minigun or crossbow, who have more uses than the Ray gun. Minigun is basically wild spraying, while crossbow can kill people across the map and can be spammed to death.

    To add to this, infected gain 3x kills and enough to compensate for a death or two from a person with a Ray gun.
    I would go as far as saying that Ray has the lowest value of all weapons aside from maybe flamethrower - Demolisher can only be used properly in 1 game mode, plus it doesn't even do a whole lot.

    Me and others paid real money for an in-game weapon. Is that too much to ask? Can't it be as useable as minigun????????

    a gun that is unusable without paying additional 5 bucks to the server should be strong
     
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  2. MR_EVIL_OVERLORD

    MR_EVIL_OVERLORD Elite Legacy Legend | PRO | Genius Super Villain

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    I think they should buff the other perks we paid good money for but don't work like Juggernaut......

    The Ray is decent for infect...... you could go old school and take the iso to infect. That's what I do and it works pretty well.
     
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  3. SkullcrusherLD

    SkullcrusherLD Best-Known GSGer | Ex-War JMod

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    You often use Ray....
     
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    MR_EVIL_OVERLORD Elite Legacy Legend | PRO | Genius Super Villain

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    Not that often, I went months where I didn't use it at all.
     
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  5. GetShadowRealmed

    GetShadowRealmed What do I put here

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    Same fam! And I still don't. There is only one map that I Might?? willingly take ray and even then I don't always. It's more fun to have a challenge :wink:
     
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  6. RockTomb

    RockTomb Ex Legacy Manager + SMOD

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    I dont really use ray either to be honest. I find myself using minigun or suiciding a lot more now. Also, I would be very annoyed If I payed £3.47 for a gun and It got nerfed the next day.
     
  7. _Cesium_

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    I never use ray on infect, LAW is sooo much better. It has a better blast radius, and now with the increased speed or the rocket it is basically unstoppable (in the right hands ofc).
     
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  8. SweetCookiie

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    Maybe i should try Law for infect i use it so rarly :smile:
     
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  9. Lekosa1

    Lekosa1 mineman

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    Yes. I don't understand why people complain anyway. Guns that cost REAL money should be op.
     
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    I haven't used the Ray in... Probably a year. I promised myself I wouldn't be part of the problem just to farm up some kills.
    I don't really care if the Ray is changed, I just care how many people are using it. From a certain perspective it could be that all weapons need to be buffed just a little, then they'd all be attractive and not just the commonly used pile of skullys, isos, and assorted donor weapons. There's nothing encouraging players to use other guns
     
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  12. iMadeAThing

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    Strongly agree. Even just since I started playing I've noticed that certain maps/gms become unplayable, quite literally game breaking if too many players have chosen a certain op loadout (bailout infect-ray, amrak tdm/ctf-cbow, 2-fort-tdm/ctf-cbow, just a couple examples). Not that these aren't beatable, but most of the time you have to either have high level loadouts yourself, spam nades, or rely on donation weapons just to compete. Buffing other guns could revitalize the gameplay a bit by making other guns useful/more fun to play with...just my two cents
     
  13. CaptainBrawler

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    Ray for infected is very good, hence the large amount of people who want it to be nerfed. Like the others said, the Ray isn't THAT good for other gamemodes. Sure, it can annoy people when multiple people ray gun troll, but it's still 2 hit kill; you can escape from it kind of easily. Overall, the Ray should stay how it is.
     
  14. PorkChops30

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    It is best in infected, and it is very possible to use raygun effectively in other game modes. Minigun is another gun that needs nerfing but it is far from invincible in infect. Flamethrower absolutely no uses except trolling, hence nobody uses it and nobody complains about crossbow? Perhaps it is because you do not experience how frustrating being bow spammed is. Try putting down your super armor and cbow in amrak or hardhat next time u play and try getting kills with perhaps a iso or skull. You will prob get one or two kills before exploding. You WILL complain about it. Also, you are not thinking very deeply. Maybe you could get kills with your nades or c4 but shift your perspective from a donator to a non-donator trying the server out. Where do you think all the kills come from when you spam ray along with several other guys and there is over 5 emps in the game? Why do you think newer players have kdrs like 10-79 or something? A few weeks ago i saw @tupaq12 suicide in sovereign infect and basically get no kills and /spawn. Before he quit however, he said something like "no wonder nobody plays this anymore". Donator items completely unbalance the game and clearly breaks mojangs policy on donator items. For example, mc-war without scavenger would be unbearable for many donators because we are very used to spamming our overpowered items on one spot and magically getting more ammo. New-comers would of course find this game extremely boring because 1. they start with completely useless weapons that they have no skill in using 2. they can't seem to kill anybody because they are in extreme angles so you cannot rush in quick enough to shoot them, let alone kill them. 3. Every few rounds, you have to play the most boring gamemode: infect. You usually get no kills and wait where everyone else is at or die from a early mass c4/nade and pretty much die 10-30 times trying to get out of the spawn and somehow parkour to where the ray gun spammers are without getting one shotted instantly on the spot.

    https://mojang.com/2014/06/lets-talk-server-monetisation/

    holy $$$$ that was the longest post i ever posted.

    https://mojang.com/2014/06/lets-talk-server-monetisation/
     
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  15. ZeFazzy

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    Now are people trying to nerf this so called "Ray" in infect games only, or all games in general?
     
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    SoMuchWinning Well-Known Member

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    They want Ray to be nerfed in infected. The stats seem to be adjusted differently for other modes.

    So the reason why you are telling me that Ray should be nerfed is because of a dumb rule made by Mojang? I mean, no one obeys it anyway.
     
  18. PorkChops30

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    NO! Ray is a major reason why NOBODY plays mc-war anymore! No newcomers because it makes the game extremely boring! wtf? did u even read my post? Plus there is a reason why such rule was made, mojang doesn't want it's players to have to donate to have a good time on a server.
     
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  19. SoMuchWinning

    SoMuchWinning Well-Known Member

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    I'm pretty sure that Ray isn't the only reason behind people leaving the server.
    Also, there's nothing I can do about it aside from protecting myself as a consumer. If you really see Ray gun/demolisher as a threat to mankind, then PM higher ups. They will be able to answer your questions and explain why they aren't obeying the "rule" set by Mojang.

    I don't see a reason to argue anymore because I have no interest in flame wars.
     
  20. PorkChops30

    PorkChops30 Well-Known Member

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    nvm. i see that you do not get the point.
     
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