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Important Clarification - Recording Hackers

Discussion in 'Wild West' started by 19Cameron91, May 24, 2016.

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  1. 19Cameron91

    19Cameron91 Well-Known Member

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    If you notice a hacker moving around at a high rate of speed, be sure you record the actual hacker and not their movement on the navigator. Because, simply recording just their fast movement on the navigator will likely not qualify as significant evidence.
     
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  2. Miskey

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    Another tip for recording speed hackers is to increase the saturation on their name tag when you upload the video. Since they're moving extremely fast their name can be difficult to see and this makes it a lot easier for staff.
     
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  3. Flavorous

    Flavorous the help

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    Staff members have the ability to stop and pause the video, as long as the video has decent quality it shouldn't be an issue. If they can clearly associate the name to the player model being accused, all should be fine.

    And correct, they will not accept a simple navigator spinning around at insane speeds. It could mean anything. It needs to be a video of a player blatantly hacking.
     
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  4. AnimeLoverVerlyn

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    How would a person moving at speeds of over 500 blocks a second not be considered "significant evidence"?
     
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  5. Miskey

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    In a gamemode like ctf for example they could have just launched off of a sponge.
     
  6. 19Cameron91

    19Cameron91 Well-Known Member

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    There are no launching sponges in Wild West.
     
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  7. Miskey

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    I was talking just in general why the staff member has to have more than just a clip of someone speeding in the distance. Sponges in ctf were just an example. In wild west sometimes horses will glitch and it will look like the player is speeding when they're actually just on a glitched horse. That's a wild west specific example.
     
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    19Cameron91 Well-Known Member

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    I made this thread from that reason. I recorded the high speed travel of the hacker, TravelerCraftia on the navigator. I reported it, and it came back as insignificant evidence.
    About TravelerCraftia, he's a apparently a notorious hacker who claims to have numerous alts. His apparent original and most notable account is Caelon.
     
  9. Flavorous

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    If it was 500 blocks per second you wouldn't even notice them.
     
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    19Cameron91 Well-Known Member

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    The speed hackers generally do go about that fast.
     
  11. Flavorous

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    No they actually go about the same speed as Sprint-Flying or just a bit faster. I would say about 20-30 blocks per second depending on what they're trying to accomplish.
     
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    19Cameron91 Well-Known Member

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    Well, this guy was going just over 100 blocks a second. I'm being serious.
    20-30 blocks a second is the the normal travel speed on a runner horse.
     
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    "Speed Hackers" normally go around 200 blocks per second (depends if they can adjust the Timer) Fly hackers on the other hand are ridiculous. It's obvious if they jump from 8100 blocks to 8250 in a few seconds. Speed horses will normally increase by 5-6, but donor horses are around 7-8 (my obversation.) But usually I'm normally in a channel that a mod joins occasionally. So I just say woah this guy is speed hacking.
    20-30 blocks depends on the setting. It would of been set low because the fastest could go easily over 200 blocks. Not that I know but yeah.
    500 is a bit fast but the best of clients can reach that well not counting fly which is much faster. Tracking on compass is easy, despite the compass delay. It's obvious is the compass just went 50 blocks. I'm just repeating myself now.
     
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    500 is with the added server lag. 100-250 blocks per second seems about right with decent server speed.
     
  15. SoullessAngel_

    SoullessAngel_ Ayo why you lookin

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    He has multiple alts, and has been able to bypass the IP banning system.

    On the issue of the reports, recording the person blatantly hacking would be something you would ALWAYS do. There has to be complete evidence for the report to be even remotely considered.
     
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    19Cameron91 Well-Known Member

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    Like this, for example. That video qualifies as significant proof of hacking. He's banned now.
     
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    randomcitizen1 The schizophrenic swagmoneymillionaire

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    Am I the only one who finds it unusual that a report with someone moving at 100 blocks per second on a navigator is not considered significant evidence? I literally just did this and to my shock, it wasn't accepted. Honestly, there is no explanation other than the person was clearly hacking. The donor horse goes 100 blocks in 6-7 seconds (I have it and timed it). 100 blocks per second should be an easy ban. Just saying.
     
  18. SoullessAngel_

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    I think it's just a need for there to be something more than just how fast a person is going. I'm not sure though, as I haven't dealt with reports.
     
  19. randomcitizen1

    randomcitizen1 The schizophrenic swagmoneymillionaire

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    There should not be a need for more proof than either 1. Someone completely outrunning a donor horse running towards them on a tracker. 2. Someone clearly moving at anything significantly higher than 16.6 blocks per second, as this is approximately the highest achievable speed in wild west. For something as blatant as 100 blocks per second, there is no excuse. It should be a ban. It's as simple as that.

    EDIT: In case anyone thinks that I'm being ridiculous and that there isn't a way that people can be banned without being seen, take a look at this video and look at the tracker. It's not as though this guy can be doing anything but hacking. It's not as though he is going 16.7 blocks per second. This guy killed me while flying and using force field or aimbot, so I knew he was hacking. It's certain. I just didn't record him then. I whipped out my recording software as fast as I could and recorded how fast he was going. And yet, with a whopping speed of around 100 blocks per second on the navigator (which is coded into the server by the way. I wasn't hacking the navigator to ban this dude or something. :V), the guy gets off scotch free. I don't care if it's not strictly protocol. It's common sense. The dude should be banned.
     
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  20. Eil

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    Ok, the fastest possible legit speed a player can go at is 12 blocks per compass update which is using a Donor Speed horse. If they are traveling faster than this on the compass, they are hacking, simple as that. While it may not count as sufficient evidence, it should be clear they are hacking if they are traveling at 50 blocks per compass update - I personally think this should be enough for a ban.
     
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