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  1. MrCowlick

    MrCowlick Well-Known Member

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    So, as 2016 draws to a close I have taken the time out of my day to return to ask for all your opinions.

    What is your two cents on the social movement Black Lives Matter?
     
  2. ChickenOF

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    In my opinion the social movement of Black Lives Matter is very true it does matter they are exactly like white humans. why cant they be treated like us (the shooting) there was this video i was watching of a white guy with an m16 on his back and the cops approached him nicely, told hm to take his gun off to check the ammo.

    But on the other hand when the black guy had an m16 and went to the cops. the cops called 5 cop cars with 2 cops in so 10 cops surrounding the black guy and telling him to drop to the floor and was told not to be moved or he would be shot.

    i really hate this i just wished all people were treated the same even if your Indian Chinese black or white.
     
  3. MrCowlick

    MrCowlick Well-Known Member

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    So in your opinion you see the police force of the United States of America as racist against black people?
     
  4. ChickenOF

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    In a way Yes but in another way no because i see black officers but i think that they are unfair and they treat the wrong people in the wrong way (innocent people)
     
  5. MrCowlick

    MrCowlick Well-Known Member

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    I am sorry to tell you but the BLM narrative is based on a lie. There is no truth what so ever to their claims
     
  6. EmperorTrump45

    EmperorTrump45 Dank Memer

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    I'm not sure what's worse: that you're saying that the BLM "narrative" which is that black people live in a institutionally racist system that sends 1/3rd of their kids away to prison, kills and arrests thousands of them a year for (sometimes) literally nothing, and then blames them for the violence that the poverty of their situation (largely created by racist/unequal system) is a "lie" or that you're saying this crap as a white person from New Zealand who has probably never had to experience any of the racism that black people do (and yes white privilege is a thing), on a daily basis, in America.

    Oh and nice way to ask for chickenhead's opinion and then basically tell him he and BLM are full of sh*t after he literally gave you an example of the kind of discrimination that BLM is all about. Clearly you have no interest in hearing what other people have to say but only in imposing your view on them. That's what this thread is really about isn't it?
     
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    SharkBaitBooHaha Well-Known Member

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    You're obnoxious, feel like you don't do facts well huh?

    Also what you said kinda sounds big headed ngl
     
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    What if the unemployed would chant uneployed power? Would they be in prison? (ok they would be in private prison especially if they are black).

    Now when you agree with them, lets fix the issues

    They have to do it to draw attention to the problem. Think of how horrble the situation must be for them to go to such lenghts.
     
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  10. MrCowlick

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    You claim that there is a society of institutional racism, that is quite frankly ridiculous. If there was this conspiracy by the US government to keep black people down then you would not see a single black person in a position of power (obama). People like Samuel L Jackson would not have made it to where they are if the government's aim is to oppress black people. You said that the government unfairly targets black people and sends them to jail based only on the colour of their skin? That is ridiculous. Here are some facts for you, taken from the US Department of Justice and FBI database. Black people in America make up 13.2% of the nations population, yet they commit over 50% of the nations violent crime. Black people are also more likely to attack people of other skin colours more than any other race and it is not the 13% of black people, it is the YOUNG black MALES who are committing crime at such an incredible rate. That is around 3% of the population, yet you still claim that there is no reason why black people make up such a large proportion of the men in jail? This isn't just a trend in the US either, the same goes for UK, Canada and anywhere where there is a large element of black culture. Now onto the police brutality. Is it any wonder that you see so many cases of black people interacting with police when the rate of crime amongst them is so incredibly high? Your claim that black people are unjustly shot by police is stupid as well as only 3% of black people shot by police are shot without a just reason. "Unarmed black people are constantly shot" you argue, well yes they are but if you take a look at the police reports for these incidents you see a trend "black man resisting arrest, struggles with police man, tries to use violence against officer". I often see the claim fro BLM saying that it is black people who are the victims of police brutality but if you look at facts, white people are shot more often and have a higher chance of being shot. Over 50% of crime is committed by black people (13.2% of the population) which means that around half of all police interactions with criminals are with blacks, yet black people are only 1/3 of police fatalities with more than 2x as many white people being shot by police every year even though white people commit a smaller percentage of crime, are less likely to break the law, are less likely to fight with a police officer, are less likely to kill a police officer. So your victimhood narrative of "black people are unfairly shot and killed by police, this is racism" is bull****.

    Watch these videos for further enlightenment:














     
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    SoMuchWinning Well-Known Member

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    I think you are the one who can't get his /her facts straight.

    punctuation
     
  13. Trogy

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    All lives matter.

    It is quite sickening though to see how some black people in this country are punished more harshly than a white individual would be. When cops think that they are above the law, and take extremely, unnecessary, violent actions, it triggers me badly.

    Also, regarding this movement; I like the meaning behind it, but some of the ways that people act to get their ideas across (rioting for example), are well out of order. There are much more civil ways to handle things like this, but I guess they just want their message to be heard.
     
  14. NathanDrake

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    BLM is a joke. Its a movement to stop violence that creates violence. Just look at Dallas. Also this whole thing about police brutality towards cops is wrong, but its also true... You see, in a study a group of college students collected information from across the United States and this is what they found. White and black peoples likelihood to get shot is the same. But they also discovered that it is more likely for a police officer to physically harm a black person during arrest. Now you might yell, "see cops are n***er haters, black live matter!" But there was another part to this study. Black people are more likely to resist arrest that white people. That is why they are more likely to be physically manhandled during arrest because they are more likely to try to fight back. Remember this is not my biased opinion these study's were found using hard date. Hard data means data that is 100% legit non-biased data that cannot be argued with. We have to blame the media for being so biased and only covering when a black person gets shot by the cops. You almost never see anything about a white person getting shot unless he was or is some major criminal. But hard data proves that guns are used against white and blacks equally. When BLM was on the rise and they were calling all of these instances of black people being shot racist the media helped them by covering the shooting as racist. Even when a black cop shot a black man they called it racist and police brutality. This just proves how biased these people are! Racial violence is violence between to people because of there different race. How can a black cop shooting a black man be racist! Or a black judge sentencing a black man to life in prison!
    Notice how me and @MrCowlick give huge amount of back up material and all you BLM supporters just say,"your wrong! Cops are racist! BLM." You guys are ridiculous.
     
  15. SoMuchWinning

    SoMuchWinning Well-Known Member

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    Proof pls?
     
  16. EmperorTrump45

    EmperorTrump45 Dank Memer

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    Gee I wonder what POV these videos are reflecting

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    Link to the article below:
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    Thanks for proving my point that you have zero interest in hearing other opinions and instead spewing right wing nonsense in the first sentence. Well done MrCowlick. You're even faster than Ted Cruz.

    1) No conspiracy, never claimed there was one either, 2) nice way to frame my comments which are backed by study after study after study as a 'conspiracy' to make them sound less credible, and 3) Just because America has a black president does not mean that we have 'equality' between whites and blacks or that there is not still rampant discrimination among every single institution (both social and economic).

    Let me rephrase that hot, steamy pile of B.S. for you: "If a society oppressed black people there would be no rich/successful black people". Hey MrCowlick, did you know there were rich black folk before emancipation? Yeah that's pretty wild. Do you know who James Forten is? A black millionaire back in the 1830's. Does that mean that black people were not deliberately (or not) discriminated against by their government even though the vast majority of blacks before 1865 were slaves?

    Is it?

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    And from the International Business Times:
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    Racial bias against black people is a thing in America and has been for over four hundred years. I am not saying that black Americans are being thrown in prison because they're black but are being actively discriminated against because of their color (hence institutional racism) which leads to more blacks being imprisoned at the state level than whites as of October 2016 (in spite of comprising a much lower proportion of the population).

    Why do you think they do that? Are you really going to say that "well black people are just more likely to commit crime because they're all thugs" or something along those lines? That's certainly what you seem to be implying because you have no points here. Yes black Americans do commit more crimes than whites. That's for a whole array of reasons not the least of which is consistently bad education, child abuse, and drug abuse, all of which are directly related to poverty.

    Those monsters!
    I never said that there is no reason why black people, male or female, are being incarcerated. I said that sometimes there is no reason for it. Crime and poverty are linked.

    As more direct proof of that here are some recent statistics from the Bureau of Justice:

    Poor blacks do not commit crime at "an incredible rate" either

    Did you see the bit where poor blacks have lower crime rates than poor whites? Fascinating stuff that.

    Wow that was racist. Where there is a large element of black culture there is a lot of crime? Do you even hear yourself when you say this stuff? You're making a hell of a neo nazi argument here MrCowlick. Problem is, it's mostly bullsh*t.

    Is it any wonder that you see so many cases of black people interacting with police when white families have a net worth 16 times that of black families (in the U.S.)? Poor areas are subject to more police scrutiny than rich areas because there tends to be more crime in poorer areas, thus more encounters between blacks (who are more likely to be poor) and police. The issue is considerably more complex than that but the trend is there.

    Nope.

    From the Washington Post:

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    As far as unarmed victims are concerned...

    All that violence and crime happens because of the significant element of black culture in the U.S. doesn't it MrCowlick? And if that's not the case do enlighten me as to why it's happening with an argument that doesn't rely on race baiting and extremist, neo nazi stereotyping because that is the real bull**** here.

    Agreed. You guys are ridiculous.

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  17. FatMurray

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    Why aren't whites considered in this
    I feel left out :v jkjk
     
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  19. featherpaw

    featherpaw Your friendly neighborhood kitten! :3

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    Im wondering if roke would yell at me if I locked this for flame. either way, please discuss this civilly.
     
  20. 18kss

    18kss All is within

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    The original BLM was much better and had so many great ideas, now they've been hijacked by a bunch of thugs that want to riot and kill people :v
     
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