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Discussion in 'KitBrawl' started by xGhale, Feb 16, 2017.

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  1. xGhale

    xGhale HG‘s Doom guy

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    And this is where you need server partitioning.
    https://www.brawl.com/appeal/view/158979251468296
    So this is @YouAreBestBae's account. He's been false-banned multiple times, several of them permanently, and this time it was a War mod. I'm not going to say who it was, but I still feel that gun gamemode mods shouldn't be able to permanently ban on soup pvp servers, simply because some of them (not all) do not have the knowledge to interpret the player's movement etc. properly. In fact, there are a dozen anti-knockback techniques that reduce your KB so far as to make it look like you haven't got any.
    Just my salt.
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  2. Sayan

    Sayan Well-Known Member

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    antikb


    haha


    good meme
     
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  3. GetShadowRealmed

    GetShadowRealmed What do I put here

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    Excluding war mods from banning on other servers is never going to happen. It's not fair for the mods just because they make a mistake. I was originally a war mod. I used to only play war, nothing else. My knowledge with pvp techniques was trash when I first joined kit. I right off the bat false banned 2 players for killaura. Now I'm a kit mod and all I ever do is watch for hackers.
     
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  4. GreenPeas

    GreenPeas The man, the myth, the meme

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    I completely understand with what you are saying, however, part of our Global Moderator system is that all of our Moderators should be able to correctly identify players using hacked clients on any of our servers hence, why we are actively tested using the Staff Hack tests.

    An active knowledge of general hacks is a key requirement in the promotion from Global JMod to Moderator and hence, why moderators are trusted with the authority to ban on all of the Brawl Servers. Between Me & @Canoodle, we have been monitoring this rather intensely recently as I am sure that some of the Moderators will tell you and if you do feel that any of our Moderators in particular are failing to correctly identify the use of hacks on Brawl, please do inform us of this and we will look into it.
     
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  5. Lekosa1

    Lekosa1 mineman

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    boi.

    Just because one player is good and is fooling staff, doesn't mean that MODs that are not as familiar with sword PvP (even though every mod has taken a hack test) should not be able to ban players on KitPvP. That's just dumb. :V
     
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  6. Removers

    Removers KitBrawl Ex-Mod!

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    https://www.brawl.com/history/player/Squeezable
    https://www.brawl.com/history/player/Plused
    https://www.brawl.com/history/player/Cringings
    ^ All my accounts with bad ban history which are all false bans and have been lifted.
     
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  7. GreenPeas

    GreenPeas The man, the myth, the meme

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    Yeah i've actually been looking at your Ban History in horror recently :stuck_out_tongue: As I said, Bans are something that me and Canoodle have been addressing recently within the staff team and are still trying to keep on top of so hopefully in the near future we should be seeing improvements in this!
     
  8. Trogy

    Trogy Huncho

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    Moderators do make mistakes at times, let's keep that in mind and respect that they are not intentionally trying to ban anyone falsely, and that they are just volunteers here.

    I can sympathize though, @YouAreBestBae has been falsely banned quite a few times, and I am sure it is very frustrating.

    Also, to be fair, he does look very suspicious when fighting I agree, being as good at pvp as he is. However, I do agree that moderators sometimes do need to look a bit more carefully when it is questionable whether or not they are hacking.

    No one should be banned when it is questionable if they are hacking or not.
     
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  9. Sayan

    Sayan Well-Known Member

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    Oh my god thank you for saying that. Please tell the rest of the staff team.

    And something else I'd like to bring up; James has a real easy time getting unbanned thanks to his reputation. What happens when another player at his level, without his reputation, gets banned? They stay banned.

    Just something to think about.
     
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  10. GetShadowRealmed

    GetShadowRealmed What do I put here

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    Another thing I would like to point out. I've noticed that players that play in f5 tend to aim for the head. There is a hack that only aims for head. I know that has nothing to do with antikb but just pointing out it can be confusing at some points.
     
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  11. xGhale

    xGhale HG‘s Doom guy

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    Thing is, hack clients tend to ALWAYS hit and ALWAYS trigger the same way.

    Fine, I take back the "war mods shouldn't ban on Soup" thing, but I'd like to see better, more difficult, and sneakier hack tests.
     
  12. GetShadowRealmed

    GetShadowRealmed What do I put here

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    What says they aren't already. I've seen questions be discussed over.
     
  13. xGhale

    xGhale HG‘s Doom guy

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    Evidently they aren't lol
     
  14. SoCool21

    SoCool21 Bans Reports & Appeals Admin | McPvPer for Life <3

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    I don't give a crap what the mod is server-specific for - honestly, the server you're server-specific for barely makes any difference (other than in CTF, as only CTF specific mods get to help out with changes or team related stuff) once you're out of trial. And since Brawl has a lack of mods, it should remain this way.

    A JMod should not be promoted to Mod unless they can detect hacks. Its as simple as that.
     
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  15. Trogy

    Trogy Huncho

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    Interesting idea, I like it. Only issue is that it is not always easy to determine whether someone is hacking from a video, because of all the different variables that go into it.
    What I mean by this is that a staffer may simply be better at detecting hacks when they see hacks themselves firsthand.

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    Player either recording video, or player accused may be lagging, and that is not always shown in a video.
    - The moderator watching the video may play at a different FOV (Field of view), which can sometimes make it more difficult to pick up on hacks, especially regarding ghost clients.
    - The video is recorded at a poor angle in which it is difficult to 100% confirm hacks.
    - Video is recorded/uploaded at a poor Frame rate, or quality, in which it is hard to see every detail.

    I like and support this idea, but the videos would have to be a definitive yes or no on whether or not the player is hacking if used in the hack tests.
     
  16. featherpaw

    featherpaw Your friendly neighborhood kitten! :3

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    I get where you're coming from. I have also banned James before. However, mistakes do happen. And asking one person to understand each and every hack to its fullest completion is far fetched. Most of the time these mistakes are caught, however, and hacks that the appealer explains in their appeal are taken a look at very closely to avoid convicting an innocent person.
     
  17. Removers

    Removers KitBrawl Ex-Mod!

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    Maybe an in-game test as well as providing videos and add up the overall average of each test to give a final result on how they did. Get the JMods to go into different servers with a Mod or above, and tp watch players that are either hacking or not hacking. If the JMod thinks they are hacking they message the Mod that they are with and the Mod can tell them if they are correct or not. If they think they are aren't hacking then simply give the answer too. If they are unsure of whether the players is hacking or not give them an extended period of time (5 minutes I'd say) to give response on whether they are still unsure or have a proper answer.
    Up to 10-20 players with a mix of people would be suitable for the test in my opinion and give a decently well representation of if they are knowledge as well as the results from a video test too.

    Very quick thought that came into my head.

    @GetShadowRealmed @Goatranium
     
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  18. Squidward

    Squidward BEST WARZ SMOD NO KAPPA (ง'̀-'́)ง

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    +1 agreed ratingn, also, MORE MODS FOR KIT PLZ :smile:
     
  19. Sn4x5

    Sn4x5 Ex WarZ Mod

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    There's completely different ways a Hack triggers.
    There's silentaim, aimbot killaura forcefield etc. but they are NEVER exactly the same if they are self coded in the client and not skidded out of others. I've seen killaura hit the antibots without actually spinning and then there's killauras that don't
    Then there's forcefield that doesn't hit the anti -bots even tho he spins around 360ing people and then there's forcefield that does hit the anti-bots and still spinns.
    Just to point that out.
    shrug (^:
     
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  20. RockTomb

    RockTomb Ex Legacy Manager + SMOD

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    So im not allowed to ban :frowning:

    Not everyone is perfect, and we all make mistakes. That's what makes us Human. Mistakes like this can be learnt from and used to improve the staff team.
     
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