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A discussion on archer

Discussion in 'KitBrawl' started by featherpaw, Jun 5, 2017.

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Do you mind having archers in the FFA arena?

  1. Yes I mind

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  2. No I don't mind

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  1. featherpaw

    featherpaw Your friendly neighborhood kitten! :3

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    Hey everyone,

    So I've been wanting to post something along these lines for a while now (long before the new kitpvp even came out), but wasn't sure if the situation would die down because of the reset. However, it has not and after trying kitpvp out for another time after a long break, I have been reminded of why I originally left.

    Keep in mind, I like kitpvp occasionally. It's a fun place to pvp with friends or just talk with a part of the community I'm not normally exposed to. I have no actual hate for kitpvp, but I'd like to bring attention to an area I believe to be a small issue.

    I'm not very good at melee pvp, but I find that I'm above average at archer, so I tend to pick the ranged class. What I've noticed is that there is a very strong classist (discrimination based on class chosen ingame) view of archers on kitpvp's FFA arena. Whenever I am online playing archer, I am almost immediately targeted because of it, which I'm fine with. I'm not saying people shouldn't go after archers.

    The issue arises when I run and turn to shoot, then run again, turn, shoot, repeat. I have chain mail armor and a stone (might be confusing it with ctf here and it might be iron, but certainly weaker than the typical class people go) sword, so it's understandable that a ranged class would stay at range. However, this seems to upset people and I've noticed that I've begun to attempt to melee pvp to avoid being called a (for forum rules purposes) chicken or scaredycat.

    I should not feel threatened and verbally attacked to the point where I feel I need to change my playstyle to avoid further problems. This is not a small amount of people either. The entire FFA arena, at one time, ganged up on me in chat and I ended up just logging off because I felt I was being cornered.

    There's also the issue of "bowspamming". People seem to believe that anyone using a bow is immediately a bow spammer and this is most often actually not the case. I cannot and will not attempt to speak for all other archers, but most I've seen (myself included) charge the bow completely before releasing the arrow, as opposed to clicking madly in a panic when attacked. Most kitpvp archers are honorable opponents who will attempt to keep a distance between them and their opponent, but will stand their ground and either melee attack or, at the very least, not spam if the distance is closed.

    Can we please brainstorm to find a possible solution to this issue? It has reached a point where I do not find it enjoyable to play kitpvp and will instead change class or my playstyle to avoid confrontation. I'd rather not have to worry about passive aggressiveness on the server and would prefer to focus on actually pvping, regardless of the way I do.
     
  2. Daveeeeeeeee

    Daveeeeeeeee Well-Known Member

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    I don't see how someone calling you a "chicken" or "scaredycat" is threatening or verbally attacking but ok.
     
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  3. SharkBaitBooHaha

    SharkBaitBooHaha Well-Known Member

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    I mean we can change the whole kit entirely if needed. But honestly I think archer needs a buff if anything.
     
  4. Avivox

    Avivox Well-Known Member

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    Not saying you wrong, but those words aren't the words that I think she was called. She said "for forum rule purposes" so I think she just isn't really saying the words on the thread. She might have been called very offensive names to her, and she can't post it on the forums. Might be wrong though.
     
  5. featherpaw

    featherpaw Your friendly neighborhood kitten! :3

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    You are correct. I was called much worse than those words. XD
     
  6. GetShadowRealmed

    GetShadowRealmed What do I put here

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    Give the bow power IV and the archer speed 2! Muahahaha. Unkillable!
    Archer is only looked down on cause players just run and bow spam. The running isn't an issue to me, I could care less. It's done by any class. The bow spamming is annoying. Unless you do that, I have no issue with you being archer
     
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  7. Squidward

    Squidward BEST WARZ SMOD NO KAPPA (ง'̀-'́)ง

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    The way you described your play style will get you flamed almost instantly if you do it to certain players. People hate being bow spammed, but generally don't complain about Archer. Recently, I actually been getting asked what to do with the Archer kit. I have already suggested an Archer buff in an old thread, but I think we should give it an iron sword to give it more melee power. Can be annoying to fight full on iron armor classes with their sharpness 2 diamond swords. :V Just play it, and if you hit someone with 3 pulled back (or near fully pulled back) the person will die. A full charged bow does 4-5 hearts if shot right, and charged right. My suggestion :V https://www.brawl.com/threads/65663/
     
  8. featherpaw

    featherpaw Your friendly neighborhood kitten! :3

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    Yea, but I don't bow spam. I find that equally as annoying tbh. I don't want to have to worry about not playing archer because people accuse me of bowspamming when I've been pulling the bow all the way back. That's my main issue.
     
  9. RockTomb

    RockTomb Ex Legacy Manager + SMOD

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    Personally I think archer is ok, if its used in the right hands its unkillable.
     
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  10. SharkBaitBooHaha

    SharkBaitBooHaha Well-Known Member

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    honestly archer should get speed 2 like it was last map
     
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  11. Prouddyyy

    Prouddyyy Marketing

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    Archer with speed 2 to me is a bit trippy to shoot with since the speed changes your FOV, I think it just should get a sword or an armour upgrade. just like the ninja I mean has anyone ever seen a serious ninja with only a black t-shirt?
     
  12. Gohabsgo

    Gohabsgo Well-Known Member

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    Turn your chat off, problem solved.

    People aren't going to change so you're going to have to figure out your own ways of dealing with it
     
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  13. featherpaw

    featherpaw Your friendly neighborhood kitten! :3

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    I can agree to an armor buff or a sword buff. I just wanna make it easier to actually melee pvp if need be, so I don't have to always rely on shoot and run, shoot and run.

    That isn't the point here.
     
  14. Gohabsgo

    Gohabsgo Well-Known Member

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    No no feather I get your point and it's 100% right, but there is no way we can change how these people will react. Every kit server that has an Archer class has this same problem. You're best bet is just blocking them out and having fun
     
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  15. featherpaw

    featherpaw Your friendly neighborhood kitten! :3

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    Very true. I just wish there was a compromise, which is kind what I wanted to happen with this post.
     
  16. xGhale

    xGhale HG‘s Doom guy

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    Archer does need a rework. It's really irritating to have someone F5, spam, run and continue.
    However, if someone goes onto a high place and snipes, that's fine imo.
     
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  17. Divisibility

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    I think the archer kit is only problematic when players use it as a vehicle to annoy others. Part of the frustration of it is that it's very easy to find a player they dislike and just shoot/run away. This happens to me all the time.

    The fact that there's relatively little a melee kit can do against a fleeing archer is likely why KitBrawl players felt angry at you. After all, they're chasing you, only to get knocked back by an arrow to the face and some considerable damage. Since you're an above-average archer, the best course of action for a melee kit user is probably just to avoid you/gang up on you with friends.

    The way I see it, this is part of Minecraft PvP and how the FFA arena works. Players shouldn't be angry at you for using the archer kit effectively, nor do I think there's much to be done about it.
     
  18. SharkBaitBooHaha

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    Honestly archer wouldnt be a big problem if the map wasnt ****ty.

    I remember on the old map chasing archers wasnt a big deal. I chased them to the outer area, and knocked them into the wall, and catching up only to have them stuck on the wall.
     
  19. Grenzo

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    @_featherpaw_
    Howdy, I have read your post.
    Now, I do personally hate people who bow, then run, then bow, then run, then somehow kill us.
    Yes, I think a lot of people hate that action as well as us.
    But, you see, I don't believe that the archer kit should be "removed".
    Most people play the kit well.

    Important!
    I think a lot of people use the "bow spam" card way to often.
    The use of archer, is to use the one, the only, bow.
    EVERYONE, and I mean everyone, say someone is bow spamming when they're full charging.
    I think this is the case with this post.

    Just in general, I feel like this is not a "suggestion".
    I feel like this is more of a hate post.
    I don't think the Staff will remove a very fun kit.
    If you don't like the way people play, don't play here.
    This is not to be mean, but it's true.
    Don't complain about bowing, everyone does it.

    I don't agree with this post.
    Sorry.
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  20. Squidward

    Squidward BEST WARZ SMOD NO KAPPA (ง'̀-'́)ง

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    Actually Feather has a point, but clearly it won't be getting much through. Mostly because we don't plan on removing it, but making a few minor changes to be able to make gameplay more enjoyable for the players.
     
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