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Bought an unban for the guy who raided me.

Discussion in 'Raid' started by Colonel_Graff, Jul 28, 2017.

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  1. Colonel_Graff

    Colonel_Graff http://www.brawl.com/games/ctf/lookup/188857/

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    I was raided this last week- I had a vault with a bit of enchant, and lots of iron, raided. Can't get into specifics but unless you saw me at the base, you would not have known it was there. It was obviously X-ray.

    I confronted the party that left a sign, and while they denied they used hacks, other signs showed they did. I filed a report, a mod believed it was hacking, I got a rollback, and another party got banned for it.

    I chatted with some folks involved with the raid and decided to buy the banned party an unban (which you aren't supposed to be able to do... but... the system is still in place).

    My reasoning is that I got my stuff back, and the other party was banned for a few days, which I think is sufficient for a first time ban.

    I recommend that victims of hackers should have some input about ban severity. I also recommend that unban fees should be available, but progressive and unlimited - first unban should cost $10, second $50.... 20th should cost $200... eventually the hacker will get the point, or brawl will get a lot of money. And finally I think a 1 week non-fee appeal time for the first ban (and progressive like above- ban 20 should be a 20 week ban) is appropriate. Several months is excessive, especially when you can't (ahem, aren't supposed to be able to) pay for an unban.
     
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  2. MattM1PVP

    MattM1PVP Ex-HG Staff Member

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    We (usually) accept appeals after a month long ban if they show remorse. Only permbans are 6 months minimum
     
  3. Charlie_0014

    Charlie_0014 Build & BT Overlord, Party Sub-Overlord

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    For the unban fees:
     
  4. Carnotauros

    Carnotauros Raid & Events Manager

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    Brawl hasn't removed it, it's just a hidden website where you buy it.
     
  5. Lord_Roke

    Lord_Roke Forever the Forums Watchdog
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    It is very important that all rule breakers are treated similarly; allowing the victims of rule breakers to give input on the punishment is diametral to this. I also don't really see why it is necessary: They broke the rules, they will get the appropriate punishment. Why should the victim have something to say about the punishment?

    The ability to buy unlimited unbans could be extremly frustrating for both staff members and players when hackers keep coming back, just because they have enough money. It is also pointless because we currently permban after the third un-appealed ban, so you couldn't purchase an unban for that ban anyways.

    The punishment durations have been like this for years and I don't recall anyone complaining about bans for hacking being too short ever before, so I think they are fine.
     
  6. Speedcell

    Speedcell Ex-Raid Mod | Team Vanta

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    I have been witness of xrayers buying an unban as soon as they got banned and coming back like nothing happened. Therefore, the cost of the first unban as the other ones should be increased imo.
     
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  7. MR_EVIL_OVERLORD

    MR_EVIL_OVERLORD Elite Legacy Legend | PRO | Genius Super Villain

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    Classy....
     
  8. DreadfulDNA

    DreadfulDNA Well Known Member

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    Very nice of you. I wouldn't mind hackers/banned players to buy themselves out of trouble, as long as the price to be unbanned is increased, after all more unbans bought= more money.
     
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  9. NoHacksJustCooki

    NoHacksJustCooki Active Member

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    I do kind of like Graff's idea of the victim choosing the punishment in a way as the victim is the only one that has been affected but also I see your point in that there hasn't been a problem before. Maybe there could be a minimun punishment e.g 3 days for a certain offence and the maximum is 6 days and the victim could choose. Although I've had a base when it has literally taken a week and a half until it had got rolled back, partly due to lack of SMODs (only Eil is the only SMOD that ever comes on :/ ) but also because the time that it takes to sometimes find evidence of xray. I'm not saying that that last point was the fault of the SMOD as they are just trying to make sure they are right and that they aren't false banning the person but surely if you have to wait a while you should be able to have some say in what happens or at least a few gold to increase your balance.
     
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