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  1. Eil

    Eil Ex-Raid // Perm. Ban Manager
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    Hello Brawlers!

    Today we would like to try get your opinions on KOTHs (King Of The Hill) that happen every Saturday at 3pm EST. The reason KOTHs were added was to spark more competition between teams, and bring a more competitive aspect to Raid. After talking to a number of people we get very mixed reviews about them, so this thread is to hopefully gather all of your views and opinions for each of you to discuss.

    Some of the opinions already expressed to us:

    • Mostly every week, one team dominates, and at some points, no other team even bothers to challenge them because they simply have no chance of beating them.
    • It's really annoying to be capping, then keep getting constantly knocked off by someone who then runs away, and then comes back again.

    The sorts of things we are looking to hear from you:

    What you like about KOTHs.
    What you dislike about KOTHs.
    Whether you think they should be kept, removed, changed etc.
    Whether you think there should be more.
    What improvements you think could be made.
    Alternatives to KOTHs (Automat-able).


    Feel free to say anything you wish about KOTHs, over and above the questions posed above.
    We look forward to seeing what your thoughts are!

    Brawl Staff Team
     
  2. lilfloat

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    This is gonna be a juicy thread
     
  3. Carnotauros

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    What you like about KOTHs - Brings players to raid, and it's fun.
    What you dislike about KOTHs. - Quantity > Quality
    Whether you think they should be kept, removed, changed etc. - They should be changed, but I have no idea how. I don't want them removed, but I think a change is necessary.
    Whether you think there should be more. - We need more. At least a EU one.
    What improvements you think could be made. - No idea. Adding another koth for europeans.
     
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  4. Daveeeeeeeee

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    What you like about KOTHs. Increases player counts, more PvP action in p4.
    What you dislike about KOTHs. I think the rewards could be better. It's also far too easy to knock.
    Whether you think they should be kept, removed, changed etc. Changed so maybe kb2 and punch2 don't work in the koth area
    Whether you think there should be more.
    Maybe make them earlier but I think there could be 2-7 a week (maybe better prizes for ones on the weekends).
    What improvements you think could be made.
    Better prizes. Team allying should be fixed so the whole server can't truce up against meta/vanta.

    Stop with this quantity quality thing. If you are annoyed about an out number log on more players, we only had 8 (7 in meta, 1 from vanta). That's only a full team. We are also easily better at PvP than legacy/mel0n, im either the 4th, 5th or 6th best pvper in meta (not vanta) and I can beat everyone in mel0n and legacy except maybe neclass and jeens.

    Also at the start of last koth you guys outnumbered us, we dropped 4 of you, you only dropped speedcell and you 3v1ed him.
     
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  5. Carnotauros

    Carnotauros Raid & Events Manager

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    When I played last koth, we were outnumbered. And it's still quantity over quality.

    Vanta and Meta are two teams, so they ally too, and there is no way to fix this, "The whole server" can just create one team and then everyone joins it.
     
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  6. Eil

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    Not really possible.
    "Meta/Vanta" - That's a team ally
    This isn't a thread about flaming at other teams - Meta/Vanta sometimes outnumber, and sometimes other teams outnumber. This thread is for discussing changes, likes, dislikes etc.
     
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  7. Daveeeeeeeee

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    And of course you tell me off when ludicious started it. What I'm saying is, it's ok for maybe 2 teams to truce but often 3-4 teams truce with legacy. Also just disable kb2 and punch2 entirely then.

    Are you really still saying legacy/mel0n is better than meta at PvP
     
  8. Eil

    Eil Ex-Raid // Perm. Ban Manager
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    All Lucidious said was Quantity > Quality which in some regards is true - He didn't attempt to start flame.
    They do that because sometimes that is what is needed to beat Meta/Vanta - Your team consists almost entirely of PvPers, while many of the other teams are far more tracker oriented so need more players.
    They are part of vanilla so this is not likely to happen.
     
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  9. Daveeeeeeeee

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    Ok if you are agreeing that we are better at PvP, tell your team mates and truces to stop saying we rely on numbers.

    I'm sorry but in my mind, he is clearly trying to start something with that comment considering I've been arguing with him for the past few days about it and he knows that I will most likely see this thread.

    But pearls are a part of vanilla and they don't work within a certain radius.
     
  10. CalledRainer

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    Make a bigger flat area around them to have a better overview and more space for PvPing.
    Enderpearls should be disabled within a bigger radius because guys like Zyoa dont like dying and run like ... to 512 blocks and pearl away. It is impossible to catch the kiter unless you have 4-5 people on him
     
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  11. Jeenss

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    What you like about KOTHs. - I like that a lot of people join the server, and I like the p4 team fights.
    What you dislike about KOTHs. - I dislike the fact that so few players show up in p4. (non-Vanta/Meta/Legacy/Melon), this could be because smaller teams, basically have no chance to win.
    Whether you think they should be kept, removed, changed etc. I think that KOTHs are cool, but I think raid needs another weekly event, that could be won by anyone. (Individuals or two people, for example)
    Whether you think there should be more. No, I think that one weekly KOTH is enough.
    What improvements you think could be made. Better prizes.
    Alternatives to KOTHs (Automat-able). ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
     
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  12. hockeyxxxxxxkid

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    I think adding an automated 2v2 pvp tourney event either monthly or weekly would be good. I'd imagine some of the code could be borrowed from kitbrawl. I'm thinking that teams could choose their best 2 pvp'ers and that they would have to bring their own gear. They could be tp'd into a box near the nether/end portals and people could watch them fight from that area. There should be a buy-in with gold, and the reward should be the same no matter the amount of people on the team. I could go into a bit more depth on this if it's a possibility.

    As for koth, I think that making all 4 koth areas active each week would make the event much faster-paced and give smaller teams more of a chance. You can cap from any of them, and if two people have the exact same time then it goes on until one of them is knocked off. Bigger teams can still try to control all four, but they'll need to be split up in order to do so. I think that they'll be capped much easier, so perhaps the time needed should be raised somewhat. The scoreboard should show all of the koths that are being capped.

    I also think all of the bugs that I've previously mentioned should be fixed and the server reset xd
     
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  13. Carnotauros

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    The arena is pretty much built for that, and you could get there via /event warp arena. (Not yet tho, but that would be possible).
     
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  14. SillyPickles

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    itd be fun if yknow. people actually fought instead of running? and for those idiots that complain yet again.. about outnumbering.. its a team server, your complaining is basically letting us know that we are successful as a team. i dont understand how some people can complain about outnumbering when you jump out constantly by your own free will. then run. then complain. ???

    at least back then someone actually gathered up a butt ton of members and basically waged war on vanta.. and actually beat us in large scale p4 fights.. unlike players nowadays like yourselves.. just constantly complaining and complaining and running and running and more running. and the thing is they are somehow proud of running. its no longer a fight. its them running and being proud for getting away. this actually makes me miss ultra and his team because they actually fought

    bottom line- i personally dont care if its removed or not. its just not fun anymore because of the amazing community full of marathon runners and debuffers. i think its a fun gamemode overall. but the players... holy sh*t the players ruin it so bad
     
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  15. Entdude607

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    Reset the map, then think about making KOTH good again.
     
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  16. Daveeeeeeeee

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    Ok, you did the same like the day after koth lmao.

    We should also disable debuffs or atleast the longest ones.
     
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  17. CalledRainer

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    If you disable debuff Demonic wont be happy... He brings fvking every time 5 sets debuffs :frowning:
    Thats the only reason why i started bringing debuffs as well
     
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  18. Daveeeeeeeee

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    You bring debuffs everywhere, even when doing an iron 1v1 you debuffed me (I still won though). I don't think demonic cares.
     
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  19. SillyPickles

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    i skype demonic alot and what you did just now was straight up lie LMAO youre notorious for sponging and running and debuffing and he only brings it because of you and neclass
     
  20. CalledRainer

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    LoL folks
    Back on topic pls
    Silly you havent made a sigle useful comment in this thread :smile:
     
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