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Screensharing invasive?

Discussion in 'KitBrawl' started by Touchie, Oct 14, 2017.

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Should staff allow SS'ing on brawl?

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  1. Touchie

    Touchie Active Member

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    So, It's not really invasive if the player that is being SS'd allows you to access their computer and look through their files. You should ask for their permission before looking through their files to find an hacked client. The only thing you should probably do is check their strings their .minecraft their prefetch and run some SS tools such as Blsquad which is a very good tool for SS'ing players. If i was frozen and was asked to be SS'd by a staff member i would allow them to access control to my computer as i trust staff. The only thing is i won't let them access my emails. I won't mind them looking in my history and my downloads and my recycle bin, It really depends if the player that's being SS'd gives you permission to check those areas in their pc. Now i definitely would let any staff member access those files i wouldn't mind them finding my porn in my history i would care less. I don't care if they checked my recycle bin because i always keep it clear and some people don't like getting their history or downloads checked so why don't we ask for permission to check their history and downloads? So is SS'ing really invasive? I'd love to see feedback below. Please only comment if you agree for a reason or if you disagree for a reason.
     
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  2. Touchie

    Touchie Active Member

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    But then they will get banned? Simple as that. But if they aren't cheating then they can appeal and explain why they denied to SS and prove they are legit. Very good question to ask Lekosa.
     
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  3. xGhale

    xGhale HG‘s Doom guy

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    This is pointless. If you say you're not hacking and don't want to get SS'd, then get banned, how can you reliably prove that you don't cheat? Every single "proof" video today can be faked.
     
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  4. EmperorTrump45

    EmperorTrump45 Dank Memer

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    If someone refuses to screenshare its incredibly unfair to ban them because its based off the presumption that since they refused to screenshare, they must be hacking (which is untrue).

    Uranium put it pretty well as far as "proving" that you are legit goes. Recording a video of you without hacks or whatever, after the fact, is completely useless. Also there is no way to determine if someone is being truthful about their reasons to screenshare or not.

    Screenshare is invasive, time consuming, and ineffective.

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  5. Removers

    Removers KitBrawl Ex-Mod!

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    If screen sharing was ever implemented it wouldn't be to prove someone is hacking really it'd be the opposite, the staff look at them in game they think they are hacking, however, due to ghost clients it is very difficult to tell so get them to screen share to prove themselves legit of any clients ect on their computer that have been recently used or injected into minecraft.
    I've made a post on screen sharing and there have been many others I doubt this will ever be implemented what so ever.
     
  6. SoCool21

    SoCool21 Bans Reports & Appeals Admin | McPvPer for Life <3

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    Banning players the normal way is much better than screensharing. Ghost clients are incredibly easy to hide from screenshares (yet no-one realises this, because every competitive PvP server that screenshare don't get to see the amount of clients they miss).
     
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  7. Lekosa1

    Lekosa1 mineman

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    That removes the point of asking then . :v If I don't hack and refuse to screenshare, I get banned. ?_?
     
  8. Miskey

    Miskey Leader of Annihilation | Former Media Manager

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    I don't see much point in arguing for screensharing anymore. Putty has stated multiple times that it won't be happening.
     
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  9. SharkBaitBooHaha

    SharkBaitBooHaha Well-Known Member

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    Honestly with a server with just minigames there’s no point. The gamemodes aren’t pvp based, which is what most ghostclients do for you.
     
  10. Removers

    Removers KitBrawl Ex-Mod!

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    CTF
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    KitBrawl
    HG - Even though hardly anyone plays it still a PvP based game mode.
    All very PvP based game modes even CTF now considering how it has been worked you have to be good at PvP to be good at the game.
     
  11. Daveeeeeeeee

    Daveeeeeeeee Well-Known Member

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    Or just teach the mods to identify mods better.
     
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  12. Touchie

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    My friend HughJanis was banned on stream with his handcam on for "Aim assist" There was no evidence of him using aim assist at all. And he was banned for aim assist. That's really unfair, Brawl staff have no clue what they are doing and are very bad at catching hackers. They ban the legit people and keep the hackers on their server. I think banning players the "normal way" is just falsely banning legit players. I was banned for aim assist reach, And i haven't even seen the evidence against me which i should have the right too see it. It doesn't even feel like there's evidence against me, It's like the staff just want me gone from the server. Now even if a player has a blatant client or any sort of cheat on their pc that has been ran in the past 2 weeks or so, They get banned. Screensharing is better than nothing. You can go through their files and if they have anything cheat relatable that they have ran in 2 weeks or so they get banned.

    -These replies i'm seeing are making me loose brain cells XD
     
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  13. Removers

    Removers KitBrawl Ex-Mod!

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    Just because you don't see the evidence doesn't mean it isn't there... there is proof on Hughjanis livestream ban and previous bans of you. The reasons those videos don't get shared is the Mods or players that record them do not want to be harassed for example like you have done to me for some of your bans and other players have too.

    And no before you ask or assume anything I have nothing to do with your ban.
     
  14. Touchie

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    I've never harassed you, There's no evidence against HughJanis and there is no recent evidence against me. And how can i possibly prove i am legit without seeing the video evidence. I was probably banned for comboing some random kid in FFA kitbrawl. I've made 2 videos recently playing on badlion client on badlion, And 1v1ing WhySneak showing both of our pov's and what my combos look like on my pov. I am trying my best to get unbanned on this server rn, Showing me the evidence of me "cheating" would help me a lot.
     
  15. SharkBaitBooHaha

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    Raid no, CTF not really because it doesn’t take pvp skills to ninja cap, snipe as archer, use mages spells, heal people as medic and plenty other skills that ctf players that dont require pvp action.... kitbrawl is the only one. Also WarZ, Party games, Wild West, War don’t require pvp skills....
     
  16. xGhale

    xGhale HG‘s Doom guy

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    a) HughJanis was blatantly cheating.
    b) There's a reason you haven't seen the evidence against you - Brawl mods don't have to and you agreed to that particular part of the rules by playing on the server.
    c) Just for the record - there is a program called CheatEngine which gives you a number of cheat options in other games. However, BLSquad and Sarefine's SS Tool will still flag it. I've used CE for fun in single-player games - I'd probably get banned on most PotPvP servers.
     
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  17. Touchie

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  18. OJ_

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    You know all these people say they have evidence of me cheating by recording their point of view. Regardless if i put up the subject of experience with the pvp comunity of this game i doubt it would change a difference. Anyways i used to play on practice pvp servers daily almost 8 hours a day to improve how i am and all of the claims of everyone against e say they have evidence of me cheating. This is why screensharing would be needed. I would accept to being screenshared in an instant only to prove all of the sore losers and people who cant face the fact that i have years of experience. I would say probably 5000 hours actual game time with minecraft of just practicing how i am. Now as you could see in my livestream i was on my brothers computer and i dont see why i should taint it with any type of cheat regardless if its the littlest cheat to the most blatant. I also play on my horrible laptop which luckily i recieve around 80 fps to just play on brawl enjoyingly. Now when you decide to go say i cheat when i am having fun pissess me off. Considering when it comes to soup pvp i like to give it my all since that is the category i first started in pvping in minecraft. Regardless of your years of playing minecraft i doubt you spent everyday training and straining yourself to get better. I noticed socool21 started off in 2011 if he actually played practice servers and attempted to get better starting there then you should see the difference in his aim and such since it should be refined. While i am livestreaming you ban me for aim assist and i then come on with a handcam on my friends account just to show you how sad it is out of all things that the person who banned me for that is. I am not cheating but to think that me having aim assist is far too out of hand. If you could tell my hand movements were linked up to my mouse and if i really wanted to i could make a fool out of everyone elses aim and act like i really do have aimbot and you wanna know how i got better. For almost half a year it took me to be perfect with this. I went on a practice server and from start to finish i must look at his chest always and not looking down at all. Always in the same spot besides turning around to pot and such. So lets say the start of a match i will stay looking at him even if im running at him from far away. To be honest sometimes i amaze myself with how i can do things like when i get an insane combo on someone and im like holy **** what did i just do. Anyways im not going to have mercy on players in a ffa server im going to play my best. Its truly sad because if you had people who has done almost as much as me to be good then they would understand this completely about the dedication it takes. I would respect a person who like me took time with themselves and practiced everyday. So the staff members of your team. Are any of then dedicated to everyday 6-8 hours of their life just to be better at this game. I used to actually be much better than i am now. Typically i am just relaxing and staying retired from practice servers since i have no need for them anymore besides honing myself back up to where i was. Anyways any type of information regarding staff who are at this peak experience of dedication would like to stand up and have a word i would love to talk to you. If not then i suggest all staff members who presumed i am cheating should really look at the details more. Have a wonderful day and fix your mistakes please. Dont be the sterotypical staff on thsi server everyone if referring about as useless and incapable of actually doing their job. The other sad thing is that some of these are probably personal too who are against me. Well goodluck to everyones opinion because mine is the sole reasoning of how everyone should view my ban subject.
     
  19. xGhale

    xGhale HG‘s Doom guy

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    I slightly doubt that you just get banned for nothing. This isn't some small child's server.
     
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  20. OJ_

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    Its sad to say that about me but ive been banned numerous times just for me playing on the server and defeating players. People accuse me of reach and such with video evidence but i dont see why no one asks for my point of view. One time back when i first joined this server. Staff members recorded their point of views on me without me knowing and said the only way i will be banned is if i had my point of view on the fight. Talk about an unfair ban. So i decides to go on alternate accounts since it was a hopeless cause. Id rather just enjoy the server as is even if i am not on the account people know me by. I am what people typically call a "practice warrior" which in my opinion is an unnecessary name but people and friends call you this if you meet unimaginable skill in fighting other players or themselves. Also to me being banned for aim assist on a server like this is nothing compared to the past for me. Staff have even said the anticheat is bad on this server and mess up. Also i love to prove people wrong when the subject is all about me. Only i know what i do and its definitely fun just to show them how much longer they can drag something so unnecessary and not even considered solid concrete evidence. So spookyghale what if i recorded you fighting me and you conpletely demolish me. What do you think my next move of action is? Well i would show the staff the video for proof but dont you think any good staff member would look into it more? As far as im concerned the staff have only unbanned their friends when they know they are not cheating right away. Also how is someone going to state up evidence when they had no idea a situation is happening. Well the point is they cant. So trapping players in a corner where they cant get out of and not being able to fight against the video that supposively shows them cheating. The most they could do is explain what they did and nothing else. They were not told to record their point of views or anything else. Its basically being set into a one sided mirror box. They can see you but all you can see is walls ahead of you.
     
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