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Question about the bannability of hacking

Discussion in 'Raid' started by WurschtBanane, Jan 5, 2018.

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  1. WurschtBanane

    WurschtBanane Member

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    Now as a few people might have noticed, i was banned for "Xray Texture". What i did was use shaderpacks, which are generally allowed. The problem was, that they make lava see-through when you dive in it, exactly as in 1.7 when using Optifine and turning Fog off. But this thread does not feed the purpose of questioning my ban, as it would not have any influence whatsoever.

    I have reported a person which i have seen using a shaderpack on raid (with video proof), but the report got denied and i was accused of abusing the report system. I guess the reason was that he did not show himself diving into lava at any point during the video.
    That basically means (by my understanding, correct me if i am wrong), that shaderpacks are allowed, until your character enters lava, as they are then considered a xray texture.

    This brought me to the following question: Is it allowed to have a hacked client installed, as long as you do not use it? For example, if i had xray mod installed, but never pressed the X button, wouldn´t it generally be allowed? Like do you need to be actually cought using a client or is the installation itself bannable?

    The reason i posted this here instead of asking a single mod is because i am more likely to get a clear answer here, because the rules are not as clear as they (in my opinion) should be and because i want to prevent getting banned in the future.
     
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  2. Colonel_Graff

    Colonel_Graff http://www.brawl.com/games/ctf/lookup/188857/

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    That’s bannable.

    Long story short, I used to play CTF back in the MCPVP days. The code was very buggy, especially when it comes to rendering (some chunks or even all blocks in the entire map would go invisible- I have vids in my channel dating from this time for this exact bug). I found a solution in roughly 2013 by using x-ray to flash the screen to refresh the block visibility in CTF, a game mode with no advantage for using X-ray. Eventually the bug was fixed by MCPVP and I forgot all about the client.

    Flash forward to 2016- I record a video and post on YouTube. The old, crappy, unused client at one point prompts me in the chat bar for an upgrade, and it is caught in my video. @AnonymousGalaxy and others discover this, ban me (although I had never used it in raid), and my rep takes a hit and I’m labeled a known hacker. If you recall, there was a mod application I submitted a year ago that had overwhelming support from the community but underwhelming support from staff, and that’s why. Eventually I got banned again, staff was cagey about it but the ‘proof’ they showed is that I was mining, happen to find a cobblestone column, dug down to the horribly hidden base and they called that X-ray, and based on history it was seen as justified. I didn’t care since I knew the ban wipe was coming, but pushed for answers and got very minimal ones.

    So yeah, I’d say don’t use a client.
     
  3. WurschtBanane

    WurschtBanane Member

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    If you got banned for that, wouldnt it technically mean that this is enough proof to get the maker of the video banned? All shaders make lava see-through, and the person who used it in the video could have used it during raids.
     
  4. StrikerSly

    StrikerSly Well-Known Member

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    its weird bc if u carry drugs u wont get arrested for doing the drug u get arrested for possession as long as u arent caught doing it. so there should be a separate punishment if youre found with a client but were never caught using it
     
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  5. GetShadowRealmed

    GetShadowRealmed What do I put here

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    The best thing to do is to have separate profiles. One for a client, one for without a client. If you have a client but never use it, there really isn't any way for us to find out is there? Now if we do somehow find out that you have a client on the profile that you are using, we will most likely ban as we have no idea if whether or not you did indeed use it. It's kind of like using clients for fullbright. As most know, fullbright doesn't give you any advantage whatsoever but you can still be banned because it is a client.
    Not sure if this really answers your question or not.
     
  6. MattM1PVP

    MattM1PVP Ex-HG Staff Member

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    Imo if you have a hacked client installed but don't use it, you'll never get caught, so you won't be banned. Basically, it's not illegal if you don't get caught
     
  7. WurschtBanane

    WurschtBanane Member

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    Well what if i screenshare with a mod and he sees that i have a hacked client installed but does never see me using it? As i always thought, the answer would be simple: I get banned.
    But with the shader ban i just experienced things got really messed up, because i am appearantly (according to this post) allowed to have them installed, but not allowed to use them sometimes. Does that also mean having xray installed and the profile loaded on brawl itself is not bannable?
     
  8. MattM1PVP

    MattM1PVP Ex-HG Staff Member

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    First of all, brawl doesn't screenshare, so that's that.
    About your ban, it's a tough situation to answer. Best option would be to appeal and wait for an answer
     
  9. WurschtBanane

    WurschtBanane Member

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    Well my appeal was denied, but the way i got banned was actually because i screenshared a mod to ask him if my shaderpack was allowed (although afaik any other pack would have had the same effect in lava).

    But the main question has not been clearly answered yet.
     
  10. PingWoo

    PingWoo Well-Known Member

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    i didnt read any of that but hey, xray is xray
     
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  11. GetShadowRealmed

    GetShadowRealmed What do I put here

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    I'm confused on what you are trying to ask. You want to know if having a client installed, even if you never used it, will get you banned?
     
  12. tallscot

    tallscot sceptiiiiiii

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    F3A isn't punishable so I don't understand why a shader glitch is
     
  13. PingWoo

    PingWoo Well-Known Member

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    That isn't xray wtf xDD. what are you gonna xray? The void?
     
  14. tallscot

    tallscot sceptiiiiiii

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    depending on your computer, f3a can be used to view players through walls, see what they're holding, what armor, etc.
     
  15. xGhale

    xGhale HG‘s Doom guy

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    @tallscot the issue is he was able to see through walls, lava (which in F3A is AFAIK not possible), AND he then abused said issue.
    Personally I'm not a fan of the reasoning that you didn't caught meaning it wouldn't be illegal. I feel as if this would be abused so damn much as you could always just be unbanned due to a seed of doubt.

    Also, considering that you knew that you had the issue and yet you still decided to take advantage of it (and before someone comes along and says "you don't know the whole story" - people are refusing to tell me the entire story and I was warned for when I asked about, so what am I supposed to think).
    It's still a bannable offense. @Colonel_Graff and @Speedcell were once banned for an X-Ray glitch, considering that this was basically in the game thanks to Mojang I think it's pretty clear.
     
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  16. Tuumai

    Tuumai Raid Sub-Manager

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    This is like the same thing I've got labymod. It has damage indicator, you can turn it off or on. As you hopefully know It's banable. So I never use it. If you wanna use shaders, don't use it to your advantage.
     
  17. xGhale

    xGhale HG‘s Doom guy

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    LabyMod's Damage Indicator feature is disabled on Brawl. If you're still able to use it, then you have a skidded version which I recommend de-installing since they're often RAT'd.
     
  18. Tuumai

    Tuumai Raid Sub-Manager

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    I got no idea about labymod's updates and version. Downloaded this thing a few weeks back.
     
  19. WurschtBanane

    WurschtBanane Member

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    Yes, even if i have it loaded on a brawl server, i will not get banned even if mods do know i have one installed?

    *Just lava, and only when i dived in it.
     
  20. ActuallyMe

    ActuallyMe Banned

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    Just buy an urban you no life and stop crying.
     
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