Discussion - Enchanting and it's problems

I'll start off by saying that the enchanting system was changed because the majority of the community felt that P4 was too easy to get. This was due to a number of factors:
- Shop glitch
- Dragon daily resets
- XP boosters
- 1.8 enchanting

The combination of all these resulted in the issue. P4 being too common meant players were bringing 2, even 3 sets to fights. Base/vault raids, while they were almost always guaranteed to have P4 in them, the actual worth of it was significantly diminished, therefore giving a reaction of "yey, more P4" rather than "OOOH YES! Jackpot".

Firstly - The shop glitch. It's been around since the very start of SPvP, and while it was fairly well known as the maps progressed (I remember being one of the first to discover it in the original map). Spending 18 levels on each piece of armour to repair it is rather annoying, which is why we decided not to remove it, but to make it a feature rather than a glitch. This was the introduction of the blacksmith NPC at spawn, that would reset the XP cost of items in exchange for a small amount of gold (the higher the repair cost, the higher the gold price). Now of course, this feature didn't come to fruition in the latest reset which is a large contributor to the above problem.

Secondly - Dragon daily resets. In the original SPvP map, and the one that followed, there was a single dragon. It was killed at the start of the map, and the End didn't reset again. In 1.7 enchanting, the dragons XP ultimately didn't mean a great deal - It gave 2x level 30 enchants. In the 2nd map where the server was upgraded to 1.8, it meant a great deal. It was 12x level 30 enchants (assuming no levels used for enchant resetting), which is a lot. This happening on a daily basis was a big deal, and was an issue. It meant vast quantities of XP was available on a daily basis, and allowed players to do far more with ease enchanting than previously possible.
What was actually planned for the dragon, was a weekly End reset (including dragon) which had an event revolving around it.

Thirdly - XP Boosters. Boosters are both a way to generate income for the server, while staying EULA friendly, and attracting players online at the time. The addition of these boosters, along with those on all other Brawl servers was a necessary step in order to comply with the EULA, but it also changed the game meta.

Finally - 1.8 enchanting. The enchanting on it's own, isn't a huge issue. As we can see from the 2nd SPvP map which was thriving, it wasn't a problem. However since then, the 2nd & 3rd issues have been added, which resulted in the problem with prompted the change to enchanting.


The issue with the current map, is that due to some of the features planned not actually being in the game. Both weekly dragons, and the repair NPC, this map has not been an accurate representation of what was intended. I do not know exactly how it would have turned out had everything been added. Whether we would still have the current issue, or whether we would have a good and stable game meta.

This is me simply explaining the reasons a change was necessary & the reasons why this map hasn't been true to what was planned - I am not defending the current system. I hope to see what everything thinks, and whether players feel they would like to try a map with the originally planned system, or something different.

A few things to consider:
- Would the fact the dragon is weekly rather than daily be enough to fix P4 being too common, while keeping 1.8 enchanting?
- Would the repair NPC be enough to make 1.7 easier, and the right balance?
- Are XP boosters too OP?

NOTE: Some of the new KoTHs will have gear & enchant restrictions. So P4 for KoTH won't be a necessity all the time. Some KoTHs may be iron only, or P1 diamond etc.

 

I like the enchanting system as it is now however i would like to see a feature that each 1.7 raid server had in the past: Getting more levels with fortune and looting. And xpbottles should give you back the same amount of xp as you deposited. Giving back only 80%ish ruined their purpose to be able to fight anytime without loosing 25 levels after a mining trip

And WHERE IS @PingWoo s picture

 

The map 4 changes are still in the works. So right now, it's hard to say what should be changed after the planned changes are out.

 

1. What's the shop glitch?

2. I like Eil's point that SPVP was thriving without problems because it wasn't so easy to gain XP before. Of course, it was also back when Minecraft was today's fortnite and remained that for 5 years and before EULA killed revenues, but the community actually gave a purpose to fight and grind or whatever and that's the biggest part that can be overlooked. If we implement the system as it was before, I think we'd see an overall growth in players and activity in skilled players.

3. More older, veteran community members need to weigh in on this. Would they ever consider coming back if x was implemented?

 

1. When you repair an item, there is something called the repair cost. This starts off at 0, then is (x2)+1 every time you use an anvil on the item (renaming, repairing, combining etc.). This is why repairing the same piece of armour would have a base cost of XP: 0, 1, 3, 7, 15, 31, 63.
The shop glitch allowed you to list an item in the shop, then re-buy it, and that repair cost would be reset, allowing you to repair your armour with 0 base cost every time (would still cost 4 levels to repair with diamonds - 1 for each diamond used). This has been around since the very beginning of SPvP, and essentially turned into a feature, however it was only really known by more experienced players.

2. Implementing the original system has a few issues: We'd have to remove the XP boosters, which a lot of people like, and are good for getting players on, and also providing income for the server. However this thread is for discussing things like this.

 

So you feel the best solution is to revert back to how it was last map? (only this time there is XP bottling - making it easier)

 

The shop glitch, as it says in the name, is a glitch. Only regulars know it, while new players, and even some experienced players don't know it. To change that, in the tutorial book/chat tip there would have to be content explaining the glitch. Making instructions on how to perform a glitch in order for people to have the same knowledge of an exploit as everyone else does, is illogical.
Hence the reason we decided on the NPC that did the repairing, with a small cost (adds another use for gold), and is an actual feature.

 

My personal view on this is that we could revert back to the old way of enchanting but this time with exp bottles (I like the 80% and all but I think it should be 90%) with no shop glitch and the villager out. Since the ender dragon is going to make a come back we should all know that it will be easier for only the rich to get exp with that and maybe encourage end fights with it. This being said I think the exp bottles should stay with the increased amount of percent. 100% is ideal to some players, but thinking back most of the time exp bottles were more on the random side and you couldn't store them yourself so that is why I propose a slight increase to how much exp gets captured. Grinding is suppose to be hard and should probably be kept that way to an extent, but also enjoyable for everyone to play.

Well no one really wants to fight in the first place with iron either since they drop so quickly as well and the grinding is suppose to be a big part of it imo since it is a "Hardcore" survival except with teams and a few warps. Personally I do agree that for the players the enchanting is an issue as players don't want to do all that work for the p4 and make it a bit easier just not to the extent that they have way too much.

I disagree since it was a glitch, with regular hardcore survival you don't just get to repair your stuff that easily and there is still a repair villager in the works that will help with the issue that you stated.

 

Meh update to 1.9 and allow mending to be used.

 

Well the enchanting system right now I don't really like it. I liked it like it used to be not taking 30 lvls to like enchant a pick or sword etc. I liked it when it only took some lvls so it dosn't take 3 Days to make p4 set if you know what i mean.

 

Keep it like it is rn. But xp bottles should give all xps back

 

Another idea would be adding XP vaults that you can either build, or buy for say, 15 dollars, of which you can hold your xp, and it’ll connect directly to the enchanting table, allowing players to enchant from their vaults, which should be raidable, but not be able to game the system, and that way, some limitations could be put in place without glitches taking hold over who gets what.