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Looking for Feedback - Grapple Removal

Discussion in 'MC-WarZ' started by Carsonn, Nov 8, 2019.

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  1. Carsonn

    Carsonn #1 WarZ Looter

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    Sup Zombies,

    Recently there has been some discussion about the implications of removing grapples from WarZ. In fact, you may have noticed that grapples are not a part of the provided kits for the upcoming 2v2 Tournament on November 16th. We as a staff team have decided to temporarily remove grapples from servers 1 and 3 for 2 weeks in order to improve gameplay based on feedback from players.

    CHANGE:
    During the two-week period, grapples will no longer spawn in chests, and any grapples in players' inventories will be disabled. This change will only occur on servers 1 and 3 ONLY. The testing period will begin on Saturday the 16th of November and will last until the 30th of November.

    Goal:
    Our aim with this change is to provide more balanced gameplay that doesn't inherently favor players with lower ping. We also would like to alter the fighting meta so that the server itself does not become stale and repetitive.

    Feedback:
    The biggest reason why the testing period is limited to 2 weeks is because we are eager to gauge the feedback from you all and hopefully continue to improve based on this feedback. That being said, we highly encourage you to hop on and test out the change, and to leave feedback both here on this thread and on our WarZ Community Discord. If you have not yet joined the Discord, feel free to make yourself included in the conversation here.

    ~ Brawl Staff Team​
     
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    #1 Carsonn, Nov 8, 2019
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  2. Usp45

    Usp45 Well-Known Member

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    just remove it ejsus

    tell thjem to fix the loot tabesl
     
    #2 Usp45, Nov 10, 2019
  3. AURailing

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    FINALLY
     
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  4. Warrey

    Warrey Former WarZ Staff

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    Remove them for a more tactical gameplay!
     
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    #4 Warrey, Nov 11, 2019
  5. strikebogle

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    Yeah looking forward to this. But what about getting to tall places lol? a bunch of ladders?
     
    #5 strikebogle, Nov 11, 2019
  6. Yupper

    Yupper A big bot on warz ❤️

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    op parkour, shotgun jump and ladder :smile:
     
    #6 Yupper, Nov 12, 2019
  7. StrikerSly

    StrikerSly Well-Known Member

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    A combo of what Yupper said and map edits where we see fit. Although we would like to encourage the use of ladders more as a useful item. The whole idea of the grapple removal is to slow down fights and make new players find more common ground.
     
    #7 StrikerSly, Nov 12, 2019
  8. Warrey

    Warrey Former WarZ Staff

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    This is not to flex or anything, but rather a fun fact and story. Around January 2017 when grapples got removed for a period of half a year including map changes and during that time I was permbanned for playing on MCLeaks accounts to find loot because I was too lazy to loot, stupid mistake. However so I have not experienced playing without grapples since 2013 so I decided to make this thread https://www.brawl.com/threads/67566/#post-858486 to make ladders stay if we ever were to remove grapples again, which could possibly be the case now.
     
    #8 Warrey, Nov 12, 2019
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  9. RenegadeSpinda0

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    Allow them when not in combat mode

    If we remove this then give us a joke gun like a nerf gun or something

    Or make cannon structures
     
    #9 RenegadeSpinda0, Nov 12, 2019
  10. Carsonn

    Carsonn #1 WarZ Looter

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    You're right that there's a certain 'creative' aspect to grapples that makes the game inherently more interesting. We want to test the removal of grapples for a bit mostly because we've noticed that certain aspects of grappling (speed-grappling) create unfair fights that just aren't fun, specifically for players with low ping.

    One thing that's been considered that could preserve the excitement of grappling would be disabling grappling if the height difference between you and the grapple is less than 2 blocks. It would get rid of speed grappling without eliminating the versatility and mobility that grapples provide.

    Another idea I've thought of: adding a delay between throwing your grapple and actually grappling. Basically if you right click to throw your hook, you'd have to wait a second or so before being able to actually click again and grapple to wherever your hook is.
     
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    #10 Carsonn, Nov 12, 2019
  11. RenegadeSpinda0

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    I like this

    but I would also like a joke gun
     
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    #11 RenegadeSpinda0, Nov 12, 2019
  12. Hacksack

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    Great idea. Grapples have been the meta for too long.
     
    #12 Hacksack, Nov 18, 2019
  13. Warrey

    Warrey Former WarZ Staff

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    They got removed already and replaced with walls
     
    #13 Warrey, Nov 19, 2019
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  14. StrikerSly

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    The thread is meant to be another means of collecting feedback for the grapple removal; a lock isn't necessary
     
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    #14 StrikerSly, Nov 19, 2019
  15. Warrey

    Warrey Former WarZ Staff

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    In my opinion we need to increase the strength and rarity on walls because right know I feel like there are too many of them and if you find one I believe they should be more useful, especially for new players. Any thoughts?
     
    #15 Warrey, Nov 20, 2019
  16. StrikerSly

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    They are quite easy to find in chests I must agree. I suggest you make a detailed thread explaining in more detail why you believe they should be changed.

    As for my personal feedback on the grapple removal, I think it has been mostly positive. However, due to the removal, there are places in the map that are not intuitive to traverse without them. Mines, for example, is very annoying to leave with ~two exits from within that are reasonable to reach to surface-level. Aside from this, fighting within the mines is equally annoying because of the lack of level space, and the heights causing fall-damage deaths. Though, the mines is a very nice build, it definitely needs tweaked to account for the grapple removal.

    As for other map-related issues pertaining to the removal, I think for many houses around the map we should remove one of the "shingles" (stairs) to allow ladders to be placed to get atop most buildings.
     
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    #16 StrikerSly, Nov 27, 2019
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