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Something That Should've Been Reinforced Years Ago.

Discussion in 'Suggestions / Ideas' started by SALSAA, Sep 11, 2014.

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  1. SALSAA

    SALSAA Well-Known Member

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    I've had enough with holding off my thoughts.
    I am done with this damn staff buisness.
    Let's get this straight.
    Anyone that has ever DDoSed or committed any serious crime (ex: SWAT, DDoS, DoX, etc.) should never be allowed to get staff.
    The logic is not implementing this is basically making a past criminal who's been arrested for things like armed robbery, DUI, etc. an officer in the Police.
    I don't see how this is wrong.
    "I've changed"
    Listen up kid you've done some bad stuff and we aren't letting you get staff because we know you know and can get back to hacking easily.
    "What about staff that are breaking this policy?"
    Poof. No staff. Again, the amount of logic in giving a past DDoSer/Hacker staff is like giving a past criminal a Police rank. And no, this isn't a different comparison.
    For Dummies, the Police Officer is the mod/staff member and the criminal is the guy who's hacked in the past and done illegal things.
    Oh, and, for the staff who've committed past crimes, you know who you are.
     
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  2. MrCowlick

    MrCowlick Well-Known Member

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    The thing about people like @specknav is the staff wouldn't allow them to be accepted if they didn't complete faith in them. If they thought that they hadn't changed, or had not become enough of a different person then they would not be staff. Take @LuckyPop: He used to be extremely immature, raging and being an ass, but now he is more mature that you, and a whole load of other people here.
     
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  3. Zippy999

    Zippy999 Well-Known Member

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    Yay! More DDoS bull****!

    Once again:
    DDOSING IS ILLEGAL AS STATED UNER THE COMPUTER FRAUD AND ABUSE ACT OF 1986.
    Maximum penalty: 10 years in prison.
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    Once a DDoSer, always a DDoSer. You never forget the power given to you by stupid applications. It's like holding a gun, you can feel the power in your hands. It feels good, it is great.

    If an applicant has been proved to hack (currently) they should not be given a chance at it, application denied and removed immediately. Applicant hacked 5 months ago? Give them a chance, they might have stopped. Like me, but I hacked in 1.3 only, hacks are for noobs who cant pvp, guess who's god now and don't need hacks to kill you? If an applicant has EVER DDoSed, NO TOLLERANCE. Never given chance at mod, what if they go bad?
     
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  4. Mokolee

    Mokolee Well-Known Member

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    So is everyone gonna disregard this post and start spamming Agree ratings on it?
     
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  5. Zippy999

    Zippy999 Well-Known Member

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    Don't worry Moke, we'll agree with yours as well.
     
  6. nicolecacola

    nicolecacola Well-Known Member

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    I agree with this, even if they have changed maybe they could be unbanned but they don't deserve staff. Also, take it from other people's point of view. You are the victim of a federal crime and then that person gets staff and has more power then you, obviously going to make players quit.
     
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  7. SALSAA

    SALSAA Well-Known Member

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    aaaaaaaaand of course I forgot the poll.
    ****.
    Welp thanks for the feedback and it seems that clearly the community doesn't think we need bad cops.
     
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  8. yinscape

    yinscape The Hedgehog Princess

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    Nice strawman tactics you got there. You have to remember we aren't dealing with guns or real life here. Anything they do with those mod perms can be instantly rolled back. No one is actually in danger. Secondly, if someone can prove themselves to the players and staff they have abandoned their ways, AND have met all the requirements for staff, why shouldn't we take them up? People can change, especially when they realize what they've been doing is wrong.


    Edit: Ready for the h8
     
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  9. Mokolee

    Mokolee Well-Known Member

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    Have you ever given a single thought if some moderators are doing what's weong behind your back? There are more mods than Smods and Administrators combined so it's not surprising if some mods can be chattering about hitting players offline behind your back in a Skype call.
     
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  10. yinscape

    yinscape The Hedgehog Princess

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    Then record it, screenshot it, fraps it, ask me/putty to check chat logs. If you can give us proof, we'll do something about it.
     
  11. BrawlerAce

    BrawlerAce Well-Known Member

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    It doesn't work that way, with Skype. You certainly can't get proof of a Skype conversation if you're not in it.
    It isn't technically real life, but that only applies for hacking. DDoS affects real life. Same with DoX. You can't roll those back so easily as you can moderator abuse.
    And yes, people are in danger of that. Not everyone keeps their internet behind a proxy and VPN. Many people just want to play casually without having to put up countermeasures to protect them while they're playing a game FOR FUN.
    Now, your point here could work for hackers that have stopped a while back. Assuming they've matured and stopped, sure why not?
    However, DDoS is a crime, and you certainly shouldn't hire someone who's been involved with that for staff.
    Even when they realize what they've done wrong, their victims won't be very happy, and I doubt they'd be willing to forgive and forget.

    Just throwing my two cents in
     
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  12. xgen42

    xgen42 Well-Known Member

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    I wish I wasn't already in trouble so I could state my opinion too. So, here... Have an agree rating, RLH.
     
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  13. Mokolee

    Mokolee Well-Known Member

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    Come on Yin. Speckie was banned for hacking and ddos and still gets promoted? I mean you are occupied with working on the network gizmos and whatever there is but you are so oblivious to dangerous Brawlers who ddos and could get promoted as well. Who knows if speck, the alternate account of a BANNED player, did not change and still resumes to his past actions?
     
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  14. MR_naenae_1738

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    *Cough Cough SWAT DDoS DoX DoS RAT Cough Cough*

    SWAT: Swat team literally F*cks you over.
    DDoS: Sending someones Router high pings either shutting down their internet or giving them EXTREME Lag.
    DoX: Just "Mailing" Someone something. Not that bad, but they know your adress, so it can lead to SWAT.
    DoS: Read DDoS. Small differences here and there, but not much different from each other.
    RAT: Taking control of Someones PC.
     
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  15. yinscape

    yinscape The Hedgehog Princess

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    And is not giving them moderator going to stop either? The answer is no. Giving them moderator status would give us LEVERAGE AGAINST THEM. Look at tyranno and darkclutch and all of the other ddosers and severe hackers we've had. What could've we done to protect our members?
     
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  16. Mokolee

    Mokolee Well-Known Member

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    Leverage? You think a little name tag prevents a notorious ddoser from ddosing? There could be mods in the staff system, using x-rays or subtle hack clients and using their moderator powers to their advantgae. What would you do if a very "trusted" moderator had betrayed the community and the staff like paparoach?

    Would you be able to control them then?

    Well you're the administrator. As the highest ranked member of the community, it is your decision to be the Sheppard and lead your sheep from the dangers. Or else your sheep wouldn't be in the herd anymore.
     
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  17. ZapCrusher

    ZapCrusher Well-Known Member

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    Ok, so what your saying is if I break a LAW I can still get mod on a breadcrumb of a server compared to the United States?

    If I don't get jailed for 10 years I might as well get mod!
    Seriously yin, your not fooling anyone.

    First of all I wouldn't give ddosers mod.
    That might protect your members :v

    Even when you get proof a lot of the time you guys don't do **** :v
     
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  18. BrawlerAce

    BrawlerAce Well-Known Member

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    And what type of leverage does it give?
    If someone was willing to abuse a staff rank, they would do so and they wouldn't care about being demoted as long as they made the server's image look bad.
    It's not just abusing powers, it's doing those wrong things, and either receiving the staff rank after or during it,
    It only gives leverage against a select few people. Not for the real trouble makers.
     
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  19. yinscape

    yinscape The Hedgehog Princess

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    Yes, leverage. I think you're misunderstanding me. If we took an ex-hacker/ddoser in as staff, that must mean that:
    1: A good portion of the existing staff, administration, and players has deemed the player has reformed to the point where he can be trusted.
    2: Taken his own time to write a good application, as well as meeting all of the requirements for staff.

    If the person was still a "notorious ddoser" we wouldn't have taken him in. They would've remained banned and stayed banned until a successful appeal is written or they buy one(not exactly sure about this).

    Yes, we know staff can abuse. Your argument doesn't pertain just to ddosers and exhackers, but to the general staff. If we find that a staff member is abusing his powers, we would demote them after a careful review of the evidence provided.


    I know of my duties and responsibilities as an administrator. I was speaking specifically of ddoses though. No matter what we do, we cannot protect players from a ddos,. It is not specific to our community. The very fact that you are on the internet and have related your names to your ip is enough for someone to launch an attack on you. We cannot do ANYTHING about a ddos attack other than try to mitigate it through special firewalls.

    And lastly, yes I am aware ddosing is against the law. However, with the rise of booters several years ago, the term has lost its meaning. In order for a ddoser to be prosecuted, they have to do monetary damage to a person or business. Regular "OH I'VE BEEN HIT OFFLINE ON A VIDEOGAME" complaints to the police and fbi will have nearly no effect. Even if they do cause damages, attacks are neigh untracable until someone screws up.

    That pertains to all of the staff.
     
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  20. ZapCrusher

    ZapCrusher Well-Known Member

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    Sorry sir, but your more of an idiot then my brother when he's mad.
    Nobody in their right mind would EVER promote a ddoser.

    You can at least do this to protect your players.
    You don't let ragers and ddosers to mod, this is one of the many reasons the community is so bad
    Why? Because you guys don't give two ****s.
     
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