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  1. chickenputty

    chickenputty License & registration?

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    A lot of players have been complaining about multiple things from who is staff, what staff is doing, why McBrawl is {xyz}, and such. I'm making this thread for one area for everyone to vent about what your current beef is because I'm sick of seeing pointless bashing and flame threads.

    If you don't have an issue, please move past this thread. I'm assuming it will end up being the most toxic thing you have read (on the forums).

    After a good amount of people have posted here I will be reviewing all the comments in attempt to fix whatever I can. This thread will definitely be locked and possibly deleted after a good amount of time.

    Anonymous submissions may be submitted here: http://goo.gl/forms/RNhavurif4

    All that I ask that is: do not reply to other's comments in this thread.
    There is no need to discuss other's personal opinions, it will just create a massive flamewar.​
     
  2. iEBKN

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    Staff going to private rooms on TS3 and dont talk to players
     
  3. DrZRG

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    The way Brawl Staff handle bans (or at least certain Admins), especially the recent ones. You're banning players for complete crap reasons, as well as not accepting the fact that people change in Joey's case.
     
  4. chickenputty

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    Can you provide an example?
     
  5. Quin

    Quin Well-Known Member

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    As most of the Mc-Warz staff are in private channels on TeamSpeak, I never see any other staff from other servers even on TeamSpeak.
     
  6. MrCowlick

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    What me, and a lot of other people are pissed off about is the way that we feel we are being treated by the staff.
    Often we feel like (a vast majority) of the the staff do not do their jobs, and only moderate for the benefits that come with it. Take Mr_O as an example. He did almost nothing to help people, and you even said that he did not do his job. So why are these people staff? Half the time I feel like the Mods don't even care if I have a problem or need help with someone breaking the rules. I have been on the servers and TS and asked Mods questions and half the time they did not answer but logged off to go and fight someone else. A classic example of this was when I was on War and a certain Mod (not going to point fingers) started messaging me about their workout schedule and did nothing to prevent people from spamming, advertising and going OOM.

    Next is the fact that the Mods are so separated from the rest of the community. When I go onto Teamspeak I go on and I want to talk to the staff as well as other members. When you accept and deny apps you ask the staff their opinion on the applicants, and most of the time they don't know anything about them. Why's this? Because they are nearly always in their own private channels. You say the point of teamspeak is so that the Mods+ can get to know the community better but how are you supposed to do that when you never come out of your silly little channels? You can't.

    Bans. Recently there have been a lot of (in my opinion) bull**** bans lot's of people are being banned for giving ratings. I do not know of any other server network that bans people for having an opinion. Take the Myort case for example. Some people wanted to give him ratings, he didn't like it and banned them. How is that fair? And there has been another case of this with @Signatured and @SweetLava. Sweet was banned for Disagreeing with what someone had to say. Siggy justifies himself by saying "that post was not disagreeable". I am sorry but that is bullcrap. You can't just nullify what someone has to say or think. If there are certain posts that "can't be disagreed with" then what is the point in our rating system?

    Most other server networks don't have a teamspeak. You can't say that having staff that never interact with you in better than nothing.
     
  7. Quin

    Quin Well-Known Member

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    So, you get mad at mods for being in private channels but don't get mad at mods when they aren't on TS at all and are completely inactive?

    Not trying to start an argument, just pointing out that you are REALLY contradicting yourself there...

    *Not going to reply to anything else just had to reply to this*
     
  8. MrCowlick

    MrCowlick Well-Known Member

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    What I am trying to say is that there is no point in having a teamspeak server if all the mods do is stay away from the bulk of the community. There is almost no point in going on to teamspeak, as all the mods (especially WarZ mods) do is stay in one big channel and never come out.
     
  9. chickenputty

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    Again, make sure you do not reply to other's comments to discuss them.
    It's fine to ask for further explanation as seen above.
     
  10. NathanDrake

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    It really grinds on my nerves when people say bad things on TS3 to little kids in front of mods and they don't get banned/kicked or in some cases don't get any punishment at all. I'm really happy about the new ban protocol. You guys are stepping it up. I also don't like when a mod gives someone like 6 warnings, 4 should be max (3 really). Also I hate some mods just brush stuff off (which can be anything from someone cussing, someone oom, someone hacking, etc).
     
  11. F1r3tar

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    The deletion of ranting outros. I realize you're trying to prevent flame wars from occurring, but deleting them only makes the situation worse and more likely to induce a flame war. For instance, take Tdaddy's outro. Sure, I might be able to understand that his outro could've have been excessive. However, he reposted the outro twice, yet they were deleted even though I didn't see any flaming occurring in the OP. Consequently, this caused him to nearly throw in the towel with Brawl.

    There's a better solution to handling a ranting thread than deleting it. Wouldn't it be better to lock the thread to prevent a flame war from occurring? This allows the OP to let out their frustration, and prevents a flame war from occurring in the comments.

    My point is that the staff are way too strict with everything (deletion of outros, bans, ridiculous forum rating rules, etc). Look at the communities of Hypixel and Mineswine. Mineswine's & Hypixel's forum community have no problem between staff and players because both staff are more leinient with their rules. If you don't undo some of the strict knots in your rules, the dissonance between staff and players will only continue to grow.

    Plus, applicants applying for WarZ (maybe FpsHG) only seem to be doing so for the extra perks they get that come with the position. I feel as though it'd be better if mods didn't receive free MVP perks and/or donator kits. Believe me, mods do not needs these extra features to help them moderate efficiently. For example, munkeywr3nch only applied for WarZ mod because he knew he'd get free MVP with it.
     
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  12. DrZRG

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    SweetLava was banned for giving Sig a disagree rating. Zap was also recently banned for similar reasons.

    I don't even want to get into Joey's situation, but what you guys don't realize is that he has changed for the better.
     
  13. GreenPeas

    GreenPeas The man, the myth, the meme

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    Personally, I feel that some members of staff do an inadequate job. I notice them on servers constantly on the same servers together (at times up to 5 or 6 memebrs of staff on the same server) and they stick together hopping between servers, it is a very inefficient way of moderating.

    An idea I had that could resolve this matter is that you introduce an ON DUTY / OFF DUTY concept for moderators. Basically this would enable moderators to switch between being on duty and off duty. They can do :
    • /Duty on or /Duty off
    This will determine when they are on duty or not. When a moderator is /Duty on they will have all of the moderator permissions including the purple / pink name, and will be expected to be moderating the servers, the way they are expected to (one mod per server, moderating chat, helping people etc.)

    When a moderator is /Duty off they will not appear as a member of staff on the server (No Purple / Pink name, no moderator permissions) and therefore can play with other OFF DUTY moderators fairly against other players. But if they do notice an issue on the server, they are still expected to resolve the issue by switchinG /DUTY ON and resolving the issue.

    I understand you no track moderators play time, well, this could be changed to track moderators Play time OFF DUTY and play time ON DUTY. Lets say, moderators are expected to be ON DUTY atleast 1-2 hours a day (calculate the average after a month).

    This will enable more moderators to be recruited as they will not all be ON DUTY at the same time.

    I ask that perhaps people can respond to this comment with their opinions, or if you could move this to a seperate thread for it to be discussed further, but I really do believe this could help resolve the ongoing issue of the community's dislike for staff at the current time.
     
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  14. MemeGodKevin

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    You know what really grinds my gears? When mods completely ignore what is going on in the server. There are the mods who always talk in chat and try to resolve issues as they appear, but then there are ones who don't even care, even if the chat is flooded with people saying someone is oom or is glitching. You guys know what categories you fall into. Also, there have been some ridiculous bans lately *chogh cough* @Signubtured *cough cough*. Now of you admins leaned back on the bans and let the mods and gigga handle it more, you could spend more time getting out updates and working on improving the community. Also, there are some mods who don't do their jobs! For example , not ONCE have I seen a message from @AndyinaBEARsuit here on the forums, and his last recorded activity was a week and a half ago. I don't play survival pvp so I don't know his ingame activity, but this is just an example of some blunders with staff. The only fully good staff team is the fpshg staff team. Wars staff is ok, but there could be some patches to it. The creative team is similar to the war team, good but could be better. Party- good, but again, could be better. Same situation with PvP, not the best, but ok. Now the real blunders lie in the WarZ staff, with the fewest competent mods. Ehvahn and raven, keep up the good work. Rest of you, either get better or get out. There are some good looking mod apps for WarZ, please use them to replace some current staff
     
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  15. tippertopper

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    Yes. Signatured banned SweetLava, because SweetLava rated 'Dissagree' on one of Sig's posts, when Sweet simply had a different opinion to Signatured's.
     
  16. SALSAA

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    I certainly am not happy with the way McBrawl is functioning at the moment.
    1. Let's start off with the issue that has been building up, and trying to be covered up. Team Holy. The majority of the Team Holy staff chat usually stay in clumps or 3 or more in a not-accessible channels like Team Holy, the private channel, etc. The staff like specknav, LuckyPop, etc. seem to not be doing their job, (coming from a perspective of the majority of the players who've seen them). In teamspeak, they just clump together, talk, hang out with Sig and Gigga, but don't do their moderator duties. On the servers, it is basically the same. They log on in clumps or 2 or more and always seem to "be in a fight" and never answer the questions of members.
    2. Bans, bans, and bans. Recently SweetLava and ZapCrusher got banned, because they disagreed on a post that "wasn't disagreeable" on. I find that the bans and warnings is absolute bullcrap, and I'll put it in a quote here. This is over a rating which makes absolute no sense.
    3. Deletion. For the past several weeks, it has come to my attention that a LOT of threads are being deleted. Any thread that anything criticizing the WarZ staff, gets deleted in 10 minutes. I think that this is plain unnecessary and shows immaturity, because even when some threads actually do show their problems in a more objective manner they still get deleted. To those who delete le threads, sorry, but the entire community already knows about the ongoing issues in WarZ. I think that these threads being deleted show that the WarZ staff cannot handle criticism, and try to solve the issue by deleting the thread. And in several cases, the staff of WarZ actually start big arguments from threads and conversations like these and do nothing to try and be sympathetic for our argument and think that big clumps of staff on a server is acceptable, and not doing their jobs is too. This also gives me the impression that expressing our opinion even through RATINGS is forbidden, and that anything that criticizes staff will be deleted.
    4. Staff: I have been holding back on this, but several people and I agree that we think that the reason why Specknav or LuckyPop wasn't demoted for hacking (in the Crystal_Breath video) and ride-alongs is because they have Giggadream and Signatured and are biased towards them and favor them. It is obvious that LuckyPop and Specknav are friends of Gigga and Signatured, however I feel that the friendship has moved toward a personal friendship, which makes Signatured and possibly Gigga to make decisions and arguments that favor them, merely out of defending their friend. Personally I don't like Signatured being a staff manager, because it gives me the impression that if I make good friends with Signatured, have decent activity, and write up a thousand word mod application, then I can be mod. Concerning several members on holy, I do not see them doing their job. I really do think that they applied for Free MVP and a purple name-tag, not to be a moderator. I doubt they want to moderate to their fullest.
     
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  17. tippertopper

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    The staff on WarZ are ridiculous. If you demote all the crap staff for WarZ, you will be left with TWO half decent staff members. TWO. There are like 7 WarZ mods, and 10 servers. That's like 1 per server, with a few hops here and there. However, they chose to stay together. Not to mention how a S-MOD, is sticking with them as well. I can name you 2 mods that answer a question, OCASIONALLY, despite sticking together, they are @Mojang and @LuckyPop.
    Also, why haven't certain staff been demoted for ride alongs, against @Crystal_Breath.

    The only GOOD, WarZ staff members, are ehvahn and raven.


    SO PLEASE. PUTTY.

    Make the staff spread.
     
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  18. Lord_Roke

    Lord_Roke Forever the Forums Watchdog
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    I'm not going to rant on anything, I would just like to offer a possible solution. (Already said something similar on SweetLava's thread).

    Make the rule "2Mods1Server" for all servers, not only Mc-War. Then it would actually be against the rules to be on the same server with another Moderator. I know that this sounds very strict, but it would be a step in the right direction and of course a Moderator wouldn't get demoted for playing 10 minutes with another staff member.

    Okay, I have a small rant:
    Please don't allow Team Holy to use that private practice server. Not going to say something about their activity in general, but when they are on a private, whitelisted server its obvious that their WarZ activity decreases.
     
  19. HereCreepers

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    This is true. I have never seen Gigga in the chat answering questions. I only saw him once telling someone to give him a helmet in the chat. I know that Mods+ should have some fun but they defiantly need to put moderating before fun. Also I have seen more of Luckypop's alt than Lucky himself. This leads me to think that mods+ should not have alts. If they are going to be moderators they should stick to one account rarely answering questions.
     
  20. ShotByANiggro

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    I hate the WarZ staff like how gigga and lucky and everyone else. They just suck all around all I see is them killing people then they say gf or gg then get off.... You know wht that sounds like. A every day WarZ player I think all they want is a pretty name tag! They dont ask if anyone needs help. All i say is that just demote them it isn't going to do anything but get rid of there nametag cause all they act like is Stuck up warz players with pretty name tags..... If you demote them It won't make a diff bec the still won't do **** like their doing now....

    And most of this thread is about is about WarZ, Does that give u any clues putty?
     
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