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Discussion in 'Discussion' started by tallscot, Dec 8, 2014.

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  1. tallscot

    tallscot sceptiiiiiii

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    Yes, yet another serious thread by yours truly. Anyways, let's get to the point.

    Moderating is not an easy job.

    Every day I see new players posting applications for moderator when they don't even know what they're bargaining for. Who knows what they're thinking? Maybe, "I'm gonna fix the community!" or "I'm gonna be an awesome staff member and everybody will love me! It's just answering questions, right?".

    Wrong.

    Moderating is not what most of you all think. Every day you are pestered with repetitive questions that will seem annoying as time goes by. Sure, you can handle it at first, but then what? You have to keep typing "No, you can't double jump" or "Yes, pickaxes can shoot". And this may be the easiest part of moderating.

    Now here comes the hard part.

    When you see rule breakers, your instinct is to warn, kick, and then ban. Right? Well, in some cases, that is the case. However, there are tons and tons of different situations in which this rule doesn't apply to. In some cases, you may need to do different strategies, like:
    • Warn, warn, kick, ban.
    • Kick, ban.
    • Ban.
    • Report.
    Etc. etc.

    Now, I've seen a lot of applications that say that if they see someone do something wrong, they will eventually permanently ban the player. Now, you must remember, moderators are only able to ban for one hour only. If the player is doing something like DDoS threatening someone or something that bad, you temporarily ban them for one hour, and then report them.

    You see how sometimes it can be hard to remember in some cases?

    However, there are some benefits. Thanks to putty and the other past admins, they created a thread in the staff forums that tells you moderators out there the common protocol for different situations, like "In-Game", "Forums", and "Teamspeak". Yes, you have to pay attention to ALL THREE OF THESE. A crap ton of different situations for three different things. Hard to remember, isn't it? Yes, it is. And sometimes, when you forget, you can look back to the different threads for information.

    But when you get back to the game, it may have been too late for a warning, or the player has simply left the game.

    Now, another very difficult part to deal with, is the staff hate.

    When you're a staff member, no matter who you are, you will receive hate at least once. And, while you can warn the player for "Staff Disrespect", this can sometimes get repetitive depending on who you are, and ultimately it can lead to a resignation.

    This is what happened to me.

    Now, let's look at this situation.

    @LuckyPop. You all know him. The 1,000 subscribers guy. The McWarZ moderator guy. The one-shot-kill-omg-he-hax guy. Well, he received a lot of hate. And I admit, some of it came from me. LuckyPop recently resigned of moderator, and I don't know if it was because of hate, but I know a part of it came from hate. But, I know for a fact that he received hate from several people in the McBrawl community, getting things like "You're a horrible staff member" or "You should never have gotten staff". I imagine you seeing this in your eyes, but even if he wasn't as good as a staff member as some other people, he was still staff. And you had to respect that. He was an overall fun guy, and still is, despite his recent resignation.

    This is what becoming moderator does to people if you aren't prepared for it. I used to be a mature, fun guy that lots of people thought would never become the person I am today.

    Well, yeah. I'm the person I am today. While I may still be a tad mature, I admit I've gotten a bit meaner than I was before. That's all because of two things:

    1) Staff
    2) WarZ

    If you are going to apply for staff, go through this in your head and think if you're REALLY capable of handling it. For those of you who read through this entire thread and understand what I'm talking about (especially those former staff members), I thank you. I know some of you will read this and think "This could never happen to me, I'm awesome!". You'd go apply for moderator, and hell of I know, you might be accepted. But if what I described happens to you, you weren't prepared. And you would know that then.

    For those of you who will still apply, keep this in mind. Do not apply for moderator unless you think you're prepared for it, because you might get more than you bargained for.

    -tallscot
     
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  2. 18kss

    18kss All is within

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    Hmmm, an interesting rant.
    Personally i enjoyed moderating.

    To do good at the job you need to enjoy the job.
     
  3. Munga

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    If I ever apply to become a moderator, I would probably handle it as if talking to my extremely strict science teacher, tolerate it and try my best to be on the good side. Laugh about it when I am not around her and whatnot.
     
  4. SALSAA

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    This is an interesting and informative rant. LuckyPop resigned because he had talked to Myort about his problems and weaknesses even though Signatured had warned him that he would be demoted.
    Anyways this really does explain to newbies that being mod isn't for the tag or the authority, it's for the dedication, the determination to help, enforce, and be a good person.
     
  5. blankbots

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    Moderating for me never was a hassle, it was just natural to me.
    Sure, things were different a few months ago, but it was still standard procedure:
    • Deal with in person (through proper warnings, kicks, temp bans, etc.)
    • Get said evidence needed for further action taken (if needed)
    • Report via the proper methods
    It was never anything too difficult to remember. It is all about doing what is needed and just to discipline the player by allowing the proper punishments to be made. The only time it gets out of hand is with hacking, which recordings are the only concrete proof for such accusations.

    Sure, I have missed some opportunities to give unruly what is deserved, and sometimes that can be hard to accept, but if it is one-time offenses, you'll never encounter that player again so it's not best to be concerned over something you couldn't control.

    Now, for hate, I can't personally vouch for much of it, as most of the incidents in War are not really centered around player hate, just immaturity, but I have gone through my fair share of people who just downright do not care about what I have to say. I have said this before, but when it comes to this kind of stuff, I am very easygoing about it. I honestly care nothing about if someone tries to disrespect me, lest they try to hurt me personally, on the grounds of who I am, or if they are hurting another person in the process. Nothing like that gets to me. It is more of in my nature, but I brush off things more easily than others, or I just don't let it show, because I don't think unleashing anything would be fruitful.

    Take this as a second perspective of the moderator experience. Any time I would go onto a server or go on the forums, the first thing I'd look for is the one to help. It legitimately made me feel good as a person. That is the reason I applied, just for the extra authority to be of even more assistance. I think that is what being a moderator is all about, and that should be the mindset that should be taken in regards to the position.

    If there is a response to this, bear in mind that I was never a WarZ moderator, and I understand that there is a similar, but different experience as staff there.
     
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  6. Slovakoko

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    "Moderating is not what most of you all think. Every day you are pestered with repetitive questions that will seem annoying as time goes by. Sure, you can handle it at first, but then what? You have to keep typing "No, you can't double jump" or "Yes, pickaxes can shoot". And this may be the easiest part of moderating."

    I know what this is like, I was recently a moderator on a WarZ practice server. It was very popular with lots of new players. There were so many questions. When I applied, I thought it would be easy, I thought it'd open doors to new teams with better players. It didn't. At first, It was really wierd having to answer so many questions. But after a while, I got used to logging in, Not playing, I answered questions...

    Other than that, I think this should be linked above all staff applications. It shows the responsibilities of an mcbrawl moderator.
     
  7. Chopo

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    Beautiful.
     
  8. Brittan

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    Before coming to this portion, I was really down for what you had to say. I don't know why you chose to include this part, but I feel it is unnecessary. There were faults on both sides, and I thought we've moved on and improved ourselves because of it; I know I have.

    In the end, I don't think higher-ups should be considered as a factor when applying for moderator. They're there to help you become better staff members. It should only be considered as a factor if you truly don't respect the higher-ups and if you wouldn't listen to what they had to offer.
     
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  9. Lord_Roke

    Lord_Roke Forever the Forums Watchdog
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    I would just like to say something about the part, that different situations need to be dealt with differently. I will be honest, you make it sound like you see a rule breaker and then you need to find the correct reaction in a thousand pages long guide. Thats not how it is. There are guides how to deal with certain situations, but if you look at those guides closely you will soon figure out that the reactions to different situations are often (almost) the same. And some situations you will have to deal with as a Moderator are not described in guides, so those guides are more a general guideline trying to tell you whats a proper reaction, not a law that you always need to follow.

    But you described the other stuff pretty good, even though I wouldn't see it so pessimistic.
     
  10. tallscot

    tallscot sceptiiiiiii

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    Deleted this portion.
     
  11. poaches

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    Very informative.
     
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