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Why exactly can't we have wool?

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  1. Sir_Inge

    Sir_Inge Well-Known Member

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    So... Like, most of the community is in favor of having wool back. I've been told that's not an option? Why?
     
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  2. F1r3tar

    F1r3tar Highly Established Member

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    Wool = old school
    Banner = new school

    You're just too used to looking at the wool.
     
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    #2 F1r3tar, Jun 17, 2015
  3. Sir_Inge

    Sir_Inge Well-Known Member

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    No, wool has some advantages:
    Wool on fence has a hitbox
    Wool is easier to recover
    Wool almost never glitches
    Wool looks like an actual flag whereas banners look like things you'd hang up on clotheslines
    You can throw a pearl standing on top of a fence with wool on it, not standing on top of a fence with a banner on it.

    You really don't understand about how 1 block changing in a flagroom can affect the whole game.
     
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    #3 Sir_Inge, Jun 17, 2015
  4. F1r3tar

    F1r3tar Highly Established Member

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    1. So? Just go near the banner to steal it.
    2. Nom released an update making it easier to steal the banner.
    3. Give an example of how the banner glitches.
    4. So? Banners are modern, wool is old school.
    5. Change your tactics.
     
    #4 F1r3tar, Jun 17, 2015
  5. Illuminonymous

    Illuminonymous Well-Known Member

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    So a vertical flag looks less like a flag than a block?
    Wat

    I don't either, most of those things seem relatively minor.

    I rarely see the banners bugging anymore and have a much easier time locating them than the dropped wool blocks.

    Brawl staff have a history of never going back on a change after they've dedicated a lot of effort into it, they had waaay more pushback on the scoping and reloading updates to the gun plugin, and those are still there.
     
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  6. wintergreen3

    wintergreen3 Delta Force Leader | Staff Manager | CTF Admin

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    Banners aren't easy to steal. At all. The Defense knocks you around WAY too much when you're trying to get the flag, the flagroom has to be nearly empty to have much of a shot of getting out.
     
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    #6 wintergreen3, Jun 17, 2015
  7. JaydenChadd

    JaydenChadd Former SMod / Community Manager

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    Nom believes it makes CTF look more professional.
     
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  8. wintergreen3

    wintergreen3 Delta Force Leader | Staff Manager | CTF Admin

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    Eh, I guess it sort of does, but to be honest it's better to have what makes the game more fun to play. D= I'm fine with the whole look of banners when they're in the flagroom, but gameplay wise they're pretty bad right now. Outside of the flagroom, it's not aesthetically pleasing to see a huge banner on someone's head either xD It actually looks a bit derpy and it blocks projectiles ;-;
     
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  9. F1r3tar

    F1r3tar Highly Established Member

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    I camp at the flagroom the entire time when playing, as the HEAVY kit, along with other players. There've been many times where the opposing team stole the flag, because of assassins one-shotting, waiting for the right moment to strike, and rushing the flag as a team.
     
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  10. Adalbern_Akakios

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    You sir are incorrect. You are one person in a sea of many. There of a large selection of lovely people who are dedicated CTFers who, for the most part, dislike banners! Oh... I see... you have no clue what it was like without banners. Well then. Your comment makes sense... :confused::rolling_eyes:
     
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  11. Sir_Inge

    Sir_Inge Well-Known Member

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    Banners glitch by dropping in the wrong spots, duplicating, not recovering, etc. wool didn't glitch. If it ain't broke don't fix it. And I think a custom coded wool block on a clean cut fence post looks better than something already in the game (quite unoriginal)
     
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    #11 Sir_Inge, Jun 17, 2015
  12. wintergreen3

    wintergreen3 Delta Force Leader | Staff Manager | CTF Admin

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    You should have seen CTF before banners... It was a lot more reliable as far as recovery, and it was a LOT easier to steal the flag. Right now, the flag is super hard to steal and it's just flat out ridiculous. I've seen many of my teammates on Delta Force (who are VERY experienced at CTF and have been trying to adjust to the new changes) fail to pickup the flag on uncountable occasions. It's just sad to see a lot of offense pushes fail due to this problem. As of right now, the gameplay can be choppy and inconsistent because of this, and it's making nearly every MCPVPer unhappy.
     
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  13. F1r3tar

    F1r3tar Highly Established Member

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    I can bet that if you started playing CTF now, you'd be completely fine with banners. Going to use this as a comparision to this situation.

    An Mc-War update was implemented a long time ago, adding scopes and the reloading feature to the game. That caused an uproar among the community, because it made the game harder, yet more like the game it was trying to base itself on. Here we are in modern day, where pretty much everyone loves the scoping and reloading mechanics.

    I am certain the community will accept banners in the future.
     
    #13 F1r3tar, Jun 17, 2015
  14. Sir_Inge

    Sir_Inge Well-Known Member

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    You guys like to eventually roll over and agree to change. We're working on removing the year old addition of flag poison and changing steaks (something that defines CTF) to something more noob friendly. We don't let change happen. And don't try to force it on us.
     
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    #14 Sir_Inge, Jun 17, 2015
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    http://indieauthoryvonnemason.com/2012/04/24/why-do-we-as-humans-hate-change/

    Change is always bound to happen. It's how we humans have evolved into the complex society that is "today".
     
    #15 Striker_Eight, Jun 17, 2015
  16. wintergreen3

    wintergreen3 Delta Force Leader | Staff Manager | CTF Admin

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    xD Oh my. I'm pretty sure you don't understand this community, though. Most of us are VERY stubborn and even if we got used to the changes, we'll probably never stop pestering the coders to change it back.
     
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  17. Striker_Eight

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    Go ahead and pester the coders all you want. As Illuminonymous said, "Brawl staff have a history of never going back on a change after they've dedicated a lot of effort into it. It's the way things are. We have to accept that since the coders see this as a positive change.
     
    #17 Striker_Eight, Jun 17, 2015
  18. Adalbern_Akakios

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    Dear NineNineNine,
    Please stop thinking you know what is best for the CTF community as a whole. You are correct to say that we can get over banners and you are also correct to say that changes happen. What you are NOT correct in saying is that MCPVPers and DEDICATED CTF "Professionals" require to get used to something new in their own gamemode. You can talk about Mc-War all you want. But if you disagree with the MCPVPer view point then you really shouldn't hang out in our gamemode. You have a right to your opinion and a right to say what you will... but being snarky in a reply to this post telling MCPVP players that don't like this change to "Change your tactics!" is just ignorant. We don't want to.
    (Sorry if this post makes think I'm a jerk, but frankly I really don't care.)
    P.S. I do think your original post was snarky... maybe it's just me but your wording didn't come off as "GIVE ME A HUG !"
     
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  19. Sir_Inge

    Sir_Inge Well-Known Member

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    Uh oh. Stubborn staff + stubborn players is sure to end in riots. MCPVP staff weren't stubborn and we still had riots
    @Striker_Nine watch it. You're coming off as snarky and arrogant. Sure, talk about your gamemodes all you want but let's face it: you know very little to zilch about CTF. Don't lecture a 3 year veteran about a gamemode you barely play.
     
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    #19 Sir_Inge, Jun 17, 2015
  20. MrWaffleman

    MrWaffleman The negligence of time's end is man's downfall

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    I really don't even care if there were Banners or Wool really, because I don't really cap flags...
     
    #20 MrWaffleman, Jun 17, 2015
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