Why exactly can't we have wool?

I was talking abou the servers, you were talking about the community. McPvP and Brawl were very different servers, still are. But now the communities are forced to be together. Also, dash ironic seeing as that quote was pointing out how you contradicted yurself.

Right. So? This does still not explain how our point is wrong. All you have done is once again, stated that we are stubborn. However, that still does not directly refute our point about the banners. Just because we don't want change, doesn't mean our criticisms about said change are wrong.

 

All of you are acting like children.

 

Changing wool to a banner is not a bad change. It makes it more realistic, and is really only a problem for you guys. If it's a problem for everybody, then Chap might consider changing it.

 

oooh iwish im no stranger

remmeber triforce?

you picked a fight with me with no mercy. its funny that EVERYONE HATES YOU ON THIS THREAD

CLICK THE THREAD https://www.brawl.com/forums/32/

 

Literally, what is the big deal of making the game a bit more challenging. Nom and the other coders/admins will most certainly fix the bugs and glitches, and this is most likely going to be added into CTF.

I'm finding it hypocritical how you play WarZ more than CTF as well.

 

Why do you think i came to brawl....I played ctf all the time just as you with warz

If i was a randy why am i in a team?

 

fair enough, but i'm going to post for real this time ^^

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Alright, so you're mad at us for not adjusting to these new changes. However, you can't come here and tell us that you haven't had an issue with change yourself. It's just a natural reaction to some things to dislike change and things won't get better if the community doesn't speak upon the issues.

I will admit that some people were slightly immature with how they decided to deal with the issue, but that doesn't count for everyone. Some people had logical arguments that supported the change back to wool nicely. It seems that you're just nitpicking at some of the bad eggs in the bunch there.

In my eyes, the only reason why we switched to banners was because the banners looked "more professional." Is this really a good reason to change things and cause more issues in the end? Logically, it isn't as wool was working for everyone perfectly fine. If the banners can work out in the end and make the game playable (no recovery and stealing issues, helmet fixes, etc.) then sure I'm fine with them in the game. But the state they are in now just doesn't work out for what Capture The Flag really is. Besides, isn't the gameplay aspect more important than the aesthetics?

Also, for those who said the flag timer is a good idea, that's not a way to fix these issues. That's a band-aid fix that will be ripped off as soon as the "patch" is released. Ninja's stealing the flag immediately isn't a good thing to have in our gamemode and I don't want to see this make a return. The flag timer being adjusted shouldn't even be on the idea list at this point.

All I'm trying to say here is that there is some great support behind the idea of wool where banners seem to just be added for aesthetic purposes, completely ignoring the gameplay aspect. People can dislike change and speak about issues, I don't see the issue with doing so as long as it's somewhat mature.

 

Yeah, but do you know why that link is pobably going to be added? Because of all the complaining this thread made. Since we so "immaturely" pointed out everything we thought was wrong, Nom went ahead and expanded the flag pickup radius, and might put this in. So this really in the end helped the devs.

 

I'm not mad at you for not adjusting to change, I'm mad that so many of your community members are flaming us just because of the way we run our servers.

 

It isn't necessarily about making the game more challenging, its that its ruining the balance even more, which is quite sad for something that was supposedly only an aesthetical change. So, this thread is here to reverse something that was changed, something that didn't need to be changed but was, and now makes the game worse.

You making a post asking people to stop complaining is silly as people will obviously complain if something they felt was good was changed into something that... Isn't good.

Also, you talked about first impressions earlier, implying that people will actually care what you think of them, which is most likely false, and then continued to post a quote insulting all mcpvpers. So much for first impressions.

I'm personally fine with the banner change of it becomes closer to the old system, but your statements are very far off, and really don't make much sense.

 

There is a difference between friendly suggesting a change and complaining about the way we run things now.

 

Yes, and most things start out as a friendly suggestion for change. But then, when the change doesn't happen, you complain. Complaining is the fundamental point in the world, and complaining gets things done. You don't have a point if you say people shouldn't do so.

 

Complaints are the outcry of those who have not had their voices heard. CTF hardly got changes until recently with Nom happening and before Nom the community essentially had to complain to get minor updates. I dont see it as complaining as most of them gave (although unrelated to the actual banner and more glitches/errors that came along with the update) a reason they dislike the change.

People are going to complain no matter what, if we didn't we'd never get anything done.

Those who complain that "Brawl Sucks" because it's not MCPVP are stupid. People who complain about an Admin false banning multiple players have a reason to complain.

 

What I notice about the whole wool or banner problem, is that many people that are for banners use the reason 'It looks more professional'. In my opinion, this IS a valid reason, But not enough to support the entire idea.

As for the wool side: Yes, I am also in favor of wool, but I am not going as far as to flame towards members who are just trying to give their opinion (@Striker_Nine, my m8). I know that you guys are not happy because of this change, but atleast try getting used to it. Every problem with it will most likely be fixed, After which most people won't even care about the fact that it is a banner.

Also, I feel like this thread should be looked at because of flame wars. Anyone else agree?

 

I doubt Brawl's going to change anything with the banners unless you got 99% unity on the issue.
Which isn't happening anytime soon.

 

Well, after seeing alot of different stuff, I decided to show all the support of why wool should be used instead of banners, because personally I view them as better. Also, I have given explanations on why banners hinder certain aspects/techniques of the game as well as explaining the aspects and techniques to give reasons why banners hinder them significantly.

1. Stealing the flag. Stealing the flag when the other team has good defense is extremely hard just by itself due to the fact that you are being pushed around by the defenders and it is hard to steal the flag when this is happening. I personally see this when the map is more defensive op, where getting in will be seen by anyone and thus begin knocking you around.

2. Takes away the helmet. This is an important one, as any amount of health you can save is very important when capping. I've been capping mainly as medic recently, and taking loads of damage, especially by ninjas, is typical, and without the helmet, it makes it virtually impossible to cap.

3. Checking behind you is harder. Now personally this one has not been much of an issue for me, but I can see it is for some people. F5ing is an important part of capping, because it is used to see if anyone is trying to recover and how to plan your moves based upon what you see. If you are not able to see the whole "picture" then if a ninja or assassin is coming up and you don't notice it, then you are most likely going to die.

4. Ninja capping is harder. Due to the fact that the banner has a hit box, you aren't able to throw enderpearls or eggs when inside or looking at the banner. This makes it so that pearling away from the flag is significantly harder. Ninja capping usually is done 1 of 2 ways: Ghosting and Pearling. Ghosting is where a ninja throws an enderpearl outside, but near the flag room and then runs into the flag room and steals the flag. This makes it so that the ninja is already far across the map with the flag, but is hard to execute. The other way is pearling, where you throw an enderpearl right as you are about to steal, and so you get out of the flag room quickly. This way is now much more difficult due to the fact that throwing enderpearls inside or looking at the banner (which one would need to be basically to steal the flag) is impossible. Also, both techniques are harder due to the fact that egging while inside or looking at the banner is also impossible (egging is used to knockback defenders trying to kill you whilst you steal the flag).

5. Blocking / Charging a Bow while inside or looking at the banner. This, similarly to #4, hinders both any class that uses a bow (most likely to be a pyro) or any class with a sword. Most pyros, when defending, are bow camping the flag (due to how pyro works currently and how effectively it counters ninja cappers). With the pyro bow camping, when looking at the banner, one can't (and even though this isn't really a game changer, it is annoying). This also applies to blocking.

6. Defending is harder. When defending, one would like to see the whole or majority of the flag room. However, the banner causes an issue due to the fact that it can block different line of sights, causing annoyances and worries, as defenders cannot fully see their flag room. And furthermore with the considering change to how banners will be posted then this basically completely blocks the view point of defenders when they are looking across the flag room difficult, and hinders the defenders job of defending:

 

People can say that 'banners are amazing and so is ctf because of them'

all I have to say to that is you should've seen ctf before banners were added, it was many times better.

also @BrawlPeeps, please don't tell dedicated CTF'ers how our game can be improved, as when the McPvP community isn't listened to, bad stuff happens. Really bad stuff.