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Idea Dwarf Buff

Discussion in 'Capture the Flag' started by 556869, Jul 12, 2015.

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  1. 556869

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    The Dwarf Class should have the same thing that Elf has where if they block with their sword it will deflect Archer Arrows and Mage Shots. I believe this is necessary because it takes a long time to charge up and say you are at like lvl 19 which would take you like 15 minutes then all of a sudden a mage comes in their and pot-spams you to your death. You can't do anything about it cause you are too slow to move out of the way. This problem also happens with archers when they constantly spam arrows at you. I don't see this as op because if any other class sees the archer that is sniping, they can move out of the way but dwarf is doomed. Even when you are trying to move out of the way and you know they are there you will still get head shotted because you are too slow and you can't run. But if with right clicking on your sword making a force-field deflecting the arrow, you will be safe. This wont make it impossible to headshot a Dwarf because you can headshot them when they can't see you, like how you would headshot an elf. I hope my suggestion gets added to the game and thank you for your time.
     
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  2. Sir_Inge

    Sir_Inge Well-Known Member

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    A ranged class is the ONLY way to kill a Dwarf. Hell no.
     
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  3. 556869

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    You know there is something called an Assassin that can kill it in one hit. Also Ninja's can kill them by sneaking up on them so no. Range Classes aren't the only way to kill a dwarf. What I proposed did not make it impossible to headshot a dwarf so your argument is invalid.
     
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    I'd like to add to this excellent idea! Let's make Dwarf caps easier by giving Dwarf Speed IV, after all why should Dwarf have a harder time capturing the flag? Not to mention it's racist to assume that all Dwarves are slow as hell through permanent Slowness II.
     
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  5. asagod

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    First things first. You cuss out everyone in chat and play dwarf. Not tryna be biased but, I think dwarf needs a nerf at level ten it's capped and maybe it gets slowness 1 instead of two then. Also dwarf pretty much instakills everything past level 10 so I don't see why. Dwarves can already block archer headshots for exchange of half their exp. or for dwarfs to have a capped point... Maybe their exp doesn't lower when they unshift at level 10 instead of the slowness 1 ide.

    at first I thought you were a rlly cool guy and I complimented u.... Then u cussed out some little kid so I felt bad for him. I still think your cool. But please stop spamming the n word.
     
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  6. ProfeshunalSpelr

    ProfeshunalSpelr Active Member

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    What about:
    At level 12 they are able to certain block (block as in block with your sword) projectiles.
    Elf's pure element (Can be broken by earth elemental)
    Engineer's auto turret arrows (Can be broken by manually using the turret)
    Mage's damage spell (Can be broken by lightning spell)
    Ninja's eggs
    Archer's head shot arrows

    Blocking has no cool down.
     
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  7. 556869

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    What are you trying to prove?
     
  8. EmperorTrump45

    EmperorTrump45 Dank Memer

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    That Dwarf capping should be a thing.
     
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    Don't bring biasses into the forum, racism is not needed in the fourm. Dwarves cannot insta kill past lvl 10, The only classes it can are week ones. Heavies, soldiers and Medics or classes like that cannot be instakilled. It also takes a long time to get up to that lvl or any lvls past it and you are allready at the risk of getting assasinated or killed. I personally take out dwarves with Ninja which is a good counter class as long as you stay quick. Slowness 1 would be nice but I just think its wrong that Mages can just sit their and spam you. People saying dwarf is op, it really isn't. The main reason I want this is to stop mages. I play mage and its a fun class but it's way too op. Either Mage needs a nerf or Dwarf needs a buff.

    So you want to make it impossible for a dwarf to steal the flag? Thats what I get from this. Now quit with the sarcasm and tell me what you mean. Because what I pick up from it is that you want to make it impossible for dwarves to steal the flag.
     
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  10. EmperorTrump45

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    I was joking... :stuck_out_tongue:
     
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  11. 556869

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    I don't care if you don't agree with me I just wanted to know your reasoning, and now I know your stellar reasoning is completely and utterly useless to this thread.
     
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    w()t o-o
     
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    This is contradictory in the first instance because you say that dwarf can't insta kill past level 10 yet say that it can instakill the weak ones


    that's meant to balance out the class as it should take time for a dwarf to get a sharpness 10 diamond sword and do so much damage

    A class should not be able to snowball to have a sharpness 12 sword, even with slowness

    dwarf is not meant to be a capturing class. If you want to take that route archer isn't a capturing class either and they haven't balanced that so it's easier. Even the highest flag capturing archer has about 300 captures. Not all classes are meant to capture and dwarf is one of these

    Dwarf needs a rework, but regardless of that rework it needs counters, and buffing it reduces the number of counters it already has. It does not need a buff. I hope this is serious enough for you
     
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  14. SoCool21

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    The biggest problem with this Dwarf buff is the fact that it is a buff for Dwarf.

    Right now, a decently aware Dwarf is very hard to kill. Assassin can't do much as in most flag rooms, you can easily have enough time to block against an assassin. Mage can't really do anything either, as usually there's Ninjas or Pyros who can easily take them out. Making Dwarf even more powerful is a definite bad idea.
     
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  15. RaZeragon

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    Dwarf does not need a buff.
    • Dwarf can block headshots by blocking when at a high enough level
    • Dwarf is immune to potions and fire when at a high enough level (eliminating chemists and pyro's effectiveness against one)
    • Dwarf has second highest armor in the game
    • Dwarf has a high damage output
    • A smart, blocking dwarf can be virtually invincible
    • Bunch of flagrooms are unheadshottable
    • Usually mages don't cap or come near the flagroom
    • It's has a snowball effect, unlike any other class (except for necro but necro is basically useless)
    Dwarf is easily one of the most overpowered classes in the game. High armor + decently high health + high damage output way overcompensate the slowness. Buffing it so it would even be harder to kill would be pointless. There are plenty of maps with unheadshottable flagrooms, and I don't usually see people headshotting the flagrooms. Not to mention, a mage usually doesn't cap or go near the enemy flagroom, and 9/10 times there are other defenders in that flagroom which can make quick work of a mage. Not to mention, dwarf (at a high enough level) can easily tank through a bunch or offense. It doesn't take long until you've leveled up high enough to one shot a ninja, and blocking assassins is easy. Not to mention the fire aspect makes a defensive pyro even more effective and the knockback makes it damn near impossible to get close to that flag.
     
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    I agree that Mage needs a nerf, the spam is annoying. Maybe make the power spell less spammy, that's all it needs.
     
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  17. Sir_Inge

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    Are you kidding? It's hard to stay alive as Mage unless you random kill. Then, well, it's random killing.
     
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  18. asagod

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    Ehh I'm thinking like a tenth of a second longer of charge time
     
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    Random killing? What is this sabotage? You are suppost to kill the players on the other team. Also I have mage and I play it every so often. I will say it is fun because you can potspam other people and they can't do a thing about it but it is really easy to get kills as mage. I'm aware that I'm getting away from the subject of dwarf but Mage does need a nerf.

    I've tooken out dwarves that are at like lvl 15-20 with the ninja class, It's not to difficult because dwarves are slow as hell, as long as you keep circling they can hit you. Not all maps have a 1 way entrance to the flag, only certain. Which means with other maps like Forest Rivals, Opposites Colide 5, Pavo's Acadamy, and so many more maps that have multiple entrances into the flag room where you can assassinate a dwarf, actually majoraty of the maps you can assassinate even some of the most atentive dwarves easily. I was not aware that they can block headshots. thank you for informing be on that.

    Saying that I contradicted my self is a false statement because I said it right afterwords in the same post not like it was a different reply and for instance a period can also represent a but. If you read the rest of it (like you should have) I said that Ninja, Mage, and maybe pyro could be one hit. but the rest of the classes can't, so id you play any other class you won't get one hit (unless you fail as an assassin). You probably weren't from the mcpvp community like I was, ever since dwarf was released in the game it has been nerfed so much over the years, Nerfing it would make no sence after all they have done. It should take time to charge up your sword but there should be no cap on the maximum charge unless its like lvl 50 which is impossible to get to because the games are too short. If not getting the elf's sword power than they should at least slow down the rate of going down in enchant, its crazy its like twice as fast as going up. So if they do rework the class I hope they don't nerf it but it at least needs a little buff.
     
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  20. obikenobi21

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    L0l, dwarf needs a rework more then anything. Besides, dwarf can already block headshots.
     
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