On: Instant Kills

that is very true I suppose. I'm more interested in the gameplay aspect than thematic sense, but I'm sure there'll be a solution which can incorporate both

 

The premise of Archer means a bow class. That doesn't mean it has to be long range.

 

If Brawl can find a solution to removing instakills while balancing the game and making it so the classes that get their instakill removed are not useless, I wouldn't mind seeing them go. But considering that's kind of impossible, I still want them. Also @Tenshirox I was referring to the some 70% of players who aren't on an official team when I was talking about skill and team work. Point being there are a lot of people who play CTF casually.

 

I am a strong believer that defensive classes should be stronger than offensive classes so that accomplishing the objective (capturing the flag) is tough. On the topic of pyro, most pyros are fairly easy to counter, and if you're having trouble with a specific pyro they are most likely more skilled than the average pyro. Any class is op with a skilled player using it.

 

But wouldn't it then be possible to use the 'defensive' classes offensively to great effect, therefore rendering any class designated as 'offensive' useless except for niche roles?

 

Well, it's not actually impossible, it would just require overhauling almost every class. But balancing CTF with insta-kills, yah, that's kind of impossible.

 

That would be the trick, balancing the classes so that the instant kill is a ton more useful on defense than offense

 

Or, you could just get rid of the instakill and implement more creative and fun classes/kits!

 

If you really want instakills removed, it's gonna take a lot of reworking, like @Miskey said, a complete overhaul. As many have stated before me, the current classes need instakills to balance them out (looking at chemist).

 

This is so true. I think part of the reason for people overreacting with the instakill problem (and I'm just talking about some, not all) is that quite a lot of skilled players use the instakill classes along with other classes that they play. That means they do really well with the instakill classes and some may be disillusioned by the power, instead of thinking about the majority of players using that instakill class that are nowhere near as skilled. If we're going to balance the classes, it should be based on people playing the class at equal skill levels, after all it would only be fair

 

Yeah but here's the deal. The power levels instakill players have and the things skilled instakill players can do is generally much higher. The Archer kill potential is so high, that at the end of the day the only way you can live is if the Archer misses, and not if you dodged.

Pyro doesn't take too much skill, but even then it can kill with ease and perform objectives with ease, much better than heavy/soldier. Back in 2012, I actually used to see heavies and soldiers defend against soldier cappers, and it actually used to work. But, pyros more effective due to the kill potential, so its used. Assassin is basically what you use if you don't want to slug it out with ninja. You go in, try to trick the guy with your redstone, fail, or 1-shot, and you're done.

Balancing should be done by what the classes can accomplish, and pyro can do a **** ton more than heavy ever can. I as pyro can easily demolish anything in my path compared to what heavies such as webmant might be able to do.

 

I agree, and that's why these classes do need to be balanced. We just have to make sure we don't mix up skilled players and the class being too powerful and at the moment they're being affected by both