Idea Dwarf Buff

Firstly, the very definition of contradictory is 2 things being mutually inconsistent. That could mean two posts, but also in this case 2 different sentences right next to each other. You said that it cannot instakill beyond level ten, yet the in the next sentence said the opposite saying that it could instakill weak classes. Therefore you are being contradictory (I've looked up the textbook definition of contradictory just to make sure that I'm not in the wrong).

If I hadn't read the post, how could I have quoted and responded to parts of the statement throughout your entire argument

I AM from the mcpvp community, and I know fine well how much dwarf has been nerfed, but just because something has been repeatedly nerfed does not mean that it has now been balanced! If you want to take that route chemist has been changed throughout its time and that still needs fixing, and the same can be said for dwarf! You also shouldn't just assume I probably wasn't from mcpvp just because of my view.

This sounds extremely biased towards dwarf. A sharpness 15 dwarf should not exist because of it's power, so a sharpness 50 cap sounds ridiculous

That's because again, that's how they tried to balance having a sharpness 12 dwarf in the first place!

I expect they're going to change a lot of aspects about dwarf, but don't expect anything like the snowballing it has now, because i think we can all agree a sharpness 15 fire aspect however much it is sword is ridiculous, even with slowness on the dwarf itself because of it's high armor and health!

I seriously don't see them buffing it, and I think the reason why you're trying to have it buffed in the first place is because you play the class and get annoyed when someone kills you like that. That's meant to be the counter of dwarf, and realistically every class has to deal with counters. Defending your argument is fine but please don't say that I don't read things. For one, I clearly did since I took quotes from throughout your last post meaning that I had to have been reading it. For two, I spent a fair bit of time going through it and responding the best way I could to try and explain why I'm against this change.

 

Im going to say no. Because range is the only thing that can kill a good one. (Assassin sure (can still be blocked), you said that, maybe Ninja) alright, then it has 2 counters. Pyro is countered by, Ninja, Assassin, Medic, other Pyros, Mage, Chemist. Assassin is countered by, anything with a sword. Necro is countered by anything with a brain. Elf is countered by anything with high damage. Engineer is countered by, Medic, Mage, Archer, Engineer, Necro, Pyro, Elf, Assassin and Ninja in some cases. Soldier is countered by Pyro, Assassin, Archer, Engineer, Ninja, Soldier, and somtimes Medics on there own team.

My point is, this reduses Dwarf's (A snowball class's) counters by too much. No other class has that much, and if it dose tell me. Its probable broken. Not to mention that there are usally other people in the flag, plus a medic. Making it hard to a Mage to kill you, as well as a Ninja or an Assassin. if your getting Headshotted by an Archer, then your not where your supposed to be as Dwarf or the maps flag room needs changing.

 

Spoken like a true dwarf main

 

If you don't think sharpness 15 is not a crazy number, especially on a diamond sword of all things when all the other classes don't have close to that in terms of enchantment level is crazy, let alone on a class with high armor and high health as a result! Even with that charge up time and slowness, it's still too powerful when it gets to that level and a cap needs to be fixed to prevent that from happening if that were to happen.

This is true, but if you managed a sharpness 24 sword you have to admit that this is a bit ridiculous

Dwarves have the ability to block and avoid assassination even if it costs them levels and then kill the assassin back once the instakill fails due to it being able to swordblock, so even this isn't a totally safe counter to dwarf

There should definitely be a cap on dwarf to prevent it reaching insane levels of sharpness if it's snowballing were to continue as it is now

That decrease in level power is meant to balance the snowballing! Reducing that will make the snowballing worse than it already is!

I don't think anyone is going to seriously consider buffing dwarf except if it were being reworked and needed a balance for a nerf. Realistically dwarf is already immune to fire and chemist potions above lvl 5, can block headshots with levels, block assassin as it has a sword, has high armor, health and has the possibility to reach a sharpness 15 fire aspect knockback sword. It may have slowness which prevents it from capturing effectively, but it's difficult to deal with on defense in the flagroom, ESPECIALLY on flagrooms where you can't headshot as that removes yet another counter to the class

 

lmao

 

I didn't read any of that but I think the best thing for Brawl to do is shut CTF down tbh js ngl imo

 

Brawl has done a great job with hosting the servers. Even though they have made decisions I wouldn't have made (and probably quite a few other regs and vets) they have done the best they can, and the best thing we can do right now it wait patiently and hope good things will happen.

 

I agree with @kevshadowslayer on this.

Hackers are around on virtually every server. That's why the mods make themselves available as often as possible. McPVP literally ignored CTF for months on end. I don't know what your point is stating that Brawl has been a poor host when they've kept the servers up and running, ban plenty of hackers and are working towards a lot of changes for the future when CTF gets out of Beta mode. Also its funny you should mention Engineer because to an extent it has always been a broken class, although its less broken now than it used to be. As for Brawl I don't get you point, what have they done wrong?

Also I'm sorry for making troll comments on your thread. I disagree with your rework because I think making Dwarf even more powerful is the wrong way to go. Instead think that Dwarf should not be buffed but have its mobility MASSIVELY expanded (you know so it can do more than derp around in the flagroom) and its power capped so you can't end up with a sword that can one shot people (at level 20) which is a little bit of a problem.

 

Ok, I can understand that you were in spawn just trying to see how high you could get it. With dwarf the way it is you can crouch and move and so in theory you can get this sword outside by doing exactly what you were inside spawn inside the flag room. Whilst you're less likely to succeed with dwarf counters, it is still possible to do this

That's why instead of buffing the class to make it even more annoying inside the flagroom than it already is, we should be instead thinking about making the dwarf more mobile and slightly less powerful so it can perform more than one role

I would hope a dwarf rework would make dwarf more mobile and less scaling so that firstly we don't get a dwarf with a sharpness 20 sword at all, but second it's able to perform more than just defense effectively. After all, you don't see many dwarves capturing! Not all classes are designed to capture, but equally you're right in that it shouldn't be virtually impossible in it

 

I expect dwarf is probably going to be reworked a fair bit when they get round to it, and as such you never really know what they might do. Personally if they're reworking stuff I'd rather keep the main role of the class essentially the same, but I'm sure whatever happens dwarf will get the necessary changes to make it at a bit more usable elsewhere and not overpowered where it's meant to be used. I haven't played a whole lot of dwarf myself, but I'll give it a go in a few matches and see the inside and out and then see what could be done to help correct the class.

 

IS THIS A JOKE? Dwarf is the most OP class. Ranged/midfield classes are the only say to even have a chance against dwarf.

Mage may be annoying, but it is EASY TO KILL! Just strafe them, and all it takes is a few hits to kill them.

 

This may be going a bit far, saying it's the most OP class. For one it's limited mobility does mean if it's going anywhere but defence, it's speed means even with power it'll be gone long before it should reach it's destination. For 2 assassins do dispatch a dwarfs power quickly. It is true that dwarf is more powerful in snowballing than it should be, but that's going a bit too far the other way.

I sense a little bit of bias in this bit (and this is a little bit of an understatement). Good mages can be extremely difficult to kill without a longer range class involved. Mage may have only a small amount of armor, but that healing spell gives it effectively an unlimited health pool. provided you can keep the people off longer than your healing spell takes to recharge you could effectively last indefinitely. Moreover, sometime's it's not just as simple as strafing, as a lot of mages know about this and adjust their fighting accordingly. Mage may not be ridiculously overpowered, but to say it is easy to kill is not really correct. Some of the best mages are able to keep 7 or 8 people occupied at once. The real reason we're here is however to talk about dwarf, not mage

 

1.) It may have low mobility, but that doesn't make it balanced. Once a dwarf gets to a high enough level, they are ALMOST impossible to kill.
2.) All classes are OP in the hands of a pro. I agree that the damage skill does need a SLIGHT nerf, but the damage spell is the only OP part about mage. The healing spell has a long cool down, and the other spells require timing.

 

Wut. Why are you talking about Mage on a thread about Dwarf?