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Discussion in 'Capture the Flag' started by pookeythekid, Aug 3, 2015.

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  1. pookeythekid

    pookeythekid Well-Known Member

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    I don't know why I haven't seen any discussion about this yet. For those of you who know me, though, with me being such a bow freak, I feel the absolute need to discuss this.

    I just found out a few minutes ago that there's going to be new arrows in 1.9. Special arrows that make targets glow so that you see their hitboxes through blocks, and arrows for potion effects. From the moment I saw them, I knew that they will revolutionize PvP with bows; that, in my opinion, should include CTF.

    I don't really expect a new class that's absolutely nothing but a long-ranged chemist, but it'd be so cool to rework the default archer with. Everyone complains about how simple and OP archer is, and I'm on the edge of agreeing with them, but things can change with this.

    For example:
    • The special arrow (what it's actually called in MC 1.9): similar concept to Elf's arrows, it regenerates after x amount of seconds and has a limit. These can be used for headshots. Goodbye (successful) bowspammers. Also if you're not in headshot range, the white outline of their hitbox still looks cool.
    As I just said, I don't expect potion arrows to mean a long-ranged chemist, but it would still be pretty cool to use at least a few of them.

    And as for elf... just share your opinion on whether elf should get some potion arrows. In my opinion it'd make the class far more useful as a support class, since it's kind of a nothing as it currently is.

    (Fellow archers I want to share this with: @Chhimichanga @LordCh4os @wintergreen3 @Gh0st__ @Deplicasus )

    Also: See this post, which I think would be a good thing to add if regular arrows no longer headshot. Indeed, the whole thing would amount to an archer rework, but I think many people including some archer mains would agree.
     
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  2. CrystalM1nd

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    I totally agree the new arrows would be nice to implement into Archer. This is, unfortunately, a good reason why we cant just 'code out' the left hand, since the special arrow would have to be held in it to use it. If the glowing was visible to teammates, the archer could act more as a support class and pick out more important targets.

    I do think elf should get some arrows. It is pretty useless at the moment :/
     
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  3. Skarm

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    The 2 things that I first thought of was "glowing" effect for flag carriers, and a new ability that lets a class shift next to a wall to climb it (Using the floating effect)

    EDIT: o and orange/red outline glow for teammates with low health if you are medic
     
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  4. SoCool21

    SoCool21 Bans Reports & Appeals Admin | McPvPer for Life <3

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    If archer wasn't so OP right now, I'd think that for every headshot you should get a random new arrow type. But buffing archer would be like buffing old engineer (then again, it did get a buff so I guess its a possibility)
     
  5. pookeythekid

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    Not totally true. Minecraft has a priority system: second hand, left to right on hotbar, and top left to bottom right in the inventory (from highest to lowest priority). However you can press F to switch anything to your second hand--in this case, a certain stack of arrows--and then you won't have to worry about the positioning of your hotbar.
    Lol, the last thing archer needs is a buff... However the upgrading of non-headshot arrows (if that's what you mean; imo that's what should happen) does sound like a good idea.
     
  6. ProfessorAfro

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    Archer is op now?
     
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    I would like to incorporate the arrows, but archer is a free class and therefore should be basic. I'd personally like to add them but I'm not sure adding them would make archer simple, which is what it's supposed to be. I'll try and come up with something more once I've had more of a chance to look through and gather my thoughts
     
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  8. SoCool21

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    Well...
    • Its long ranged (unlike any other class - I'd consider Elf and Mage to be mid-ranged)
    • It can instakill with relative ease
    • It can kill people safely
    • It can be very stealthy - most of the time you won't see the arrow coming until its too late
    • Its got decent armour (chainmail is actually just as good as iron armour, so it has roundabout the same armour as Soldier)
    mhm yep I'd say its OP
     
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  9. pookeythekid

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    True. But at the very least, I think there should be the limited headshot arrows. It's a little bit complex for a free newbie class, but if definitely controls the spam--for everyone.

    Edit: But then non-headshot arrows should be higher damage at short range, otherwise they'd be more worthless than Elf's arrows. I'm going to put my archer tweak idea into the main post.
     
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  10. furtles

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    I think these arrows should be implemented for elf, but not for anything else.
     
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  11. ProfessorAfro

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    1: Then fight it close ranged or try to avoid them all-together
    2: By ease you mean a distance of 20 or more blocks
    3: That can be said the same for every class
    4: Chain Armor is 12 as opposed to iron being 15
    Then again Archers can't cap all that well and suffers close range to large part of the cast

    On Topic
    Yeah 1.9 is never coming to CTF, with all the coding that still has to be done and the amount of reworks that would be needed.
     
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    Which ones: the special headshot arrows (which would probably instead be an instakill bow...), or the potion arrows? Or both?
     
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    maybe make a new class called archer pro and have these op arrows be added?
     
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    Special arrows in general.
     
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    it might be good for some kind of elf rework....
     
  16. pookeythekid

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    Eh, that may have been a better idea before Elf came about. And in any case, Elf's underpoweredness gives it great potential to have things added to it without wrecking the whole game.
    30 blocks, btw. I disappeared from CTF when it was 20 blocks, came back and it was 30. Either way it's still short enough.

    Agreed, archers can't cap well. Neither does engineer. But they both have other flag-oriented purposes: archers can kill a flag carrier when the rest of the defense fails, and can also support a friendly flag carrier by skillfully (or bowspammingly...) picking off pursuers; engineer is a major help in getting people to the enemy base to infiltrate the flagroom, and can provide a cake for the carrier if he/she passes by the engineer when coming out of the flagroom.

    More on topic, replying to your more on-topic note: I believe 1.9 will be good for CTF. Yes, many reworks may need to take place, but the end result may well be a much more balanced and fun game.
     
  17. ProfessorAfro

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    And yet people still go 3-0 on Canadian Fort and other archer favored maps despite having a army of archers at their base... I don't feel like going too off topic

    On-On topic
    Yeah but we can make ctf "balanced" over here on 1.8. 1.9 would bring so many bugs and break so much stuff (We only have one coder on CTF)
     
  18. TOM_SAYS

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    Hmm... I don't really see those magical arrows fitting a free class like archer that's supposed to be a regular bowman. In my opinion, those arrows could be some good weapons for a new mage like class like "wizard" or "warlock"..?
     
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    If you mean making a class based on these new arrows, I think it'd be too similar to Elf.
     
  20. Sir_Inge

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    It's way too early to plan this out. Most of the arrows are broken in some way. I've been playing with 1.9 for a while now and I've been enjoying 2 shooting cows with healing arrows.
     
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