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Discussion in 'Capture the Flag' started by OrangeMan56, Aug 12, 2015.

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  1. OrangeMan56

    OrangeMan56 Active Member

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    I couldn't decide whether to make a separate thread or post this idea in comment sections of archer reworks, but there are too many rework threads to do that so I'll make a separate thread.
    I personally have no problem with archer, but frankly I also can see people's reasons why they want it nerfed. I don't think it needs a rework, but if the community wants it and it'll make the game better so be it. My only opinion on this is to keep the option to headshot a flag carrier. You guys seem to want to remove headshots all together but instead of fully erasing them maybe keep archer's one way of defense the way it is. Often times many flag carriers are camping, or untouchable due to medics or constantly sword-spamming on soldier op maps (mainly beaver creek/walrus creek, I believe that's the name.) This could keep archer from sort of randomly killing people but still give it the power of affecting the game and it's objective. Any opinions are welcome. Thanks
    -Orange
     
    #1 OrangeMan56, Aug 12, 2015
  2. MrWaffleman

    MrWaffleman The negligence of time's end is man's downfall

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    ^^ That was my opinion of a rework for Archer.
     
    #2 MrWaffleman, Aug 12, 2015
  3. Deppuccino

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    If someone removes headshots, I will demand re-addition of them, if still not re-added I will quit CTF for 1 month and then demand them re-added again. If they don't re-add that time I will start maining Assassin and I will kill every single archer I see.
     
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    #3 Deppuccino, Aug 12, 2015
  4. RHCube

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    Do you even know what a rework is? Try playing something other than an instakill class for once
    Headshots are the most OP instakill there is.
     
    #4 RHCube, Aug 12, 2015
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    Try not being an ignorant britch for once and use a different argument then your normal three lame ones
     
    #5 MineBrick12, Aug 12, 2015
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    EmperorTrump45 Dank Memer

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    On the contrary @RHCube is a very intelligent britch!
     
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  7. MineBrick12

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    glad that's key
     
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    Stop being so biased for once.
     
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    lmao explain how
     
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  10. OrangeMan56

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    Didn't really intend for this thread to become an argument :/
     
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  11. furtles

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    Guys, please stop arguing and return to the point of this thread.

    This makes archer worse imo. It only allows archer to play a recovery role, and yet archer would still be very overpowered in that aspect. Reworking archer is a complex task, because you need to retain the usefulness without retaining the opness.
     
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  12. Deppuccino

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    How2KillAnArcher: 1-Pummel them with damage, freeze and lightning spells.
    2- Sneak up to them as Ninja.
    3- Sneak up to them as Assassin.
    4- Overpower them with Archer.
    That's more counters than my current Elf counter list.
     
    #12 Deppuccino, Aug 13, 2015
  13. furtles

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    Archers can easily out shoot mages, and kill ninjas. I very rarely die to a ninja when playing archer. Also, listing assassin as a counter doesn't change the fact that archer is op. Assassin can counter/be countered by any class. A class is not supposed to counter itself.

    Truth is, the headshot ability has no ability counter, and is the only one like that. Whichever way you look at it, archer need a rework.
     
    #13 furtles, Aug 13, 2015
  14. graycows

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    Archer annoys me because I can be an assassin go and take out a hole flag room without getting killed then kill a ninja chasing me (with no redstone) just to get killed by an arrow i have absolutely no way of stopping unless i strafe
     
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  15. xxMineSheepxx

    xxMineSheepxx baaaahh

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    Tbh I think what needs to happen for archer is either lower the armor, or get rid of the punch. Punch is too OP in places like the side of platforms and halo.
     
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    It is and its just annoying when they spam arrows.
     
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  17. xxMineSheepxx

    xxMineSheepxx baaaahh

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    Nah they don't even need to spam their arrows. One full blast one will knock you off the edge on some maps.
     
    #17 xxMineSheepxx, Aug 13, 2015
  18. graycows

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    Yeah But I have beein trying to get something done with archer for years But everytime someone thinks of a nerf that would be good this hole archer community you never new existed comes out on the forums raging about how archer is fine. Just give up there not going to nerf it
     
    #18 graycows, Aug 13, 2015
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    That doesn't fix anything. Headshot really needs the most attention. If archer is changed, the headshot ability will have to be removed, or else headshots will just keep on being uncounterable.
     
    #19 furtles, Aug 13, 2015
  20. xxMineSheepxx

    xxMineSheepxx baaaahh

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    In my opinion, headshots are pretty hard to land, considering your target is 30+ blocks away and also a moving target. To me, headshots aren't an issue. You said it's hard to kill archer with ninja, I have to agree with that one. Lowering the armor and getting rid of punch is effective because it would take less time to kill archer and archers can't bowspam the enemy to headshot range.
     
    #20 xxMineSheepxx, Aug 14, 2015
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