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Elf's fly ability should be thought over some more

Discussion in 'Capture the Flag' started by RaZeragon, Aug 14, 2015.

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  1. RaZeragon

    RaZeragon TC Co-Leader | Catgirl Enthusiast

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    Now I'm on the "elf is completely useless and should be removed" side, but there is one extremely OP ability of elf that is really gamebreaking.
    It's fly ability.
    Now some of you may be like, but why would that make elf overpowered? But here's my reasoning. I've seen many maps where elves can fly over a majority of the map, 30 blocks in the air where they can't be killed by other than flag poison or a lucky headshot. There is no counter, where as at least soldier had to be within proximity to a wall, where a ninja could hide at the top or at the bottom. However, elf is completely immune to most damage while 30 blocks in the air, and on maps like Beaver Creek, Lowrise, Whiteout, Blackout, and others, it can simply fly over nearly the entire map to capture, without having to deal with any recovers. You guys are going nuts over all the checks and balances or CTF, yet this doesn't seem to be balanced at all.
     
  2. slayerage

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    Your really stretching the truth here... Unless they've changed Elf to 20 second fly time... Then flying nearly across the map isn't possible. And skilled players need an tactic that is very hard to successfully pull off and that is rewarding. I just think Elf hits the sweet spot for those who doesn't want broken mechanics
     
  3. Sir_Inge

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    It's because getting out of a flagroom as elf is crazy hard.
     
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  4. RaZeragon

    RaZeragon TC Co-Leader | Catgirl Enthusiast

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    True, but someday, there will be more experienced elves who will be able to get out of crowded flagrooms easily, and when that happens, how is one supposed to recov off of a flying person 20 blocks in the air?
     
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  5. GreenNature

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    If kev posts something, it's important.
     
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  6. Sir_Inge

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    How is one even supposed to kill anything as elf? If elf can fly across the map in 5 seconds ninja can pearl that far in 2 and kill the elf when it's out of arrows.
     
  7. RaZeragon

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    True, but a good elf would be able to avoid or kill the ninja, but you do bring up good points. Perhaps I posted this rather in a response to frustration without clearly thinking through it, but I do think this will pose a problem in the future.
     
  8. MineBrick12

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    It's annoying af but on one hand it truly does make elf able to do something worthwhile
    on the other hand it's definitely not a perfect 'fix' for it
     
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  9. ProfeshunalSpelr

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    Meh, isn't really op. You get 10 "hops" (I like to call them hops instead of flying). And once you use them all at once, it won't be easy recovering back your 10 hops without touching the ground. You'll probably regain back 3 hops, but when that time comes, ninjas start swarming, etc., etc.. You can win your first encounter with a ninja, but not the second one.
    And if you're thinking about regenerating an arrow while airborne, you'll lose too much altitude when doing so.

    On a side note, please name a map that allows an Elf to hop entirely across the map. I'm pretty sure all maps are large enough to not allow that.
     
  10. xxMineSheepxx

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    Elf is balanced by the amount of arrows and the vulnerability of its armor imo.
     
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  11. cactusflower

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    Right now, I don't think elf is a big enough issue to be fixed. Just because a class could be potentially good at something doesn't mean it's overpowered. If elf becomes a big enough problem, I agree that it should be tampered with. But there are other classes with less controversial opinions that need to be improved first.
     
  12. Rohaibcheema

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    You keep saying "a good elf would be able to avoid this, etc". Well, the truth is that it is very hard to be good as a class that has nothing useful except it's flying ability. So, in my opinion, I don't think this will be much of an issue. Anyways, there are more important things to be focusing on right now.
     
  13. BrandinoB

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    I have to kind of agree with kev here. If an elf does get out of the flagroom (given, its fairly difficult), elf CAN fly across a good 30-50+% of the map, leaving virtually anyone but ninjas and maybe assassins in the dust in a couple of seconds. While it depletes all of your arrows, that's enough to cap off of with enough health/no ninjas and if the opposing team has not stolen the flag. It's a bit like soldier, the mobility is strong while fighting ability isn't top notch.

    The only reason why I might be okay with this is that it is indeed difficult to grab the flag as elf. Even then, with the use of the air element for a quick in and out, an elf can be a fairly OP capping class. So, meh. I would rather have coders focus on other things right now, because it isn't THAT big a problem as not many people know how to use elf that effectively.
     
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  14. BAWSS5

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    So is getting the flag, getting into the flag room, getting anywhere remotely near the flagroom, getting across mid, and getting out of spawn.

    Also, 'lucky' headshot? It's a guy visible to every archer on the map with a big flag and no cover. I've killed elves in mid-air.
     
  15. SoCool21

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    If you fly too much, you run out of arrows, and when you have no arrows, you're a weak version of archer with no ranged attack. It can't fly across the entire map without having to stop and wait for its arrows to regenerate, and in that time a ninja can easily take them out. This is really exaggerated.
     
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