Instant Kills - Why they must be Removed for a Better CTF

I think making it more hits to kill someone would actually make these classes better for those who suffer from bad ping. Under the assumption that the removal of instakills would come with some form of buff (presumably mobility based), then the chance of me landing 3 pyro hits onto a target in 2 seconds is far higher than the chance of me landing one hit onto a target in 0.5 seconds.

In other words, there is far less ping based risk in a fight that lasts 5 seconds as opposed to 1, which is what most instakills are currently

Most classes in CTF lessen the need for pvp skill, not limited to instakill classes

 

First of all: if this keeps happening, the headshot distance would be like 50 blocks and you would basically need a lucky shot every time.
Now honestly, we have discussing about this topic for so long. In my opinion. Instant kills should not be removed. For some classes, maybe (nerf it or change it); other classes, not so much. Instant kills add a whole other strategy into the game. Without instant-kills, you would have to totally rely on pVp skills. CTF would just become kit-pVp (not to mention the word "kit" so maybe class-pVp). Also it would probably turn the game into "Get More Kills". Lets be honest, most of any teams kills comes from instant kills or non pVp classes, like mage and engineer. But would would these kills determine a tie-breaker (I know I'm going off topic but hear me out). This is when pVp should count as a "kill" for the team. That would be a substitute for the current tie-breaker. Plus there are many counters to the instant kill classes, what people just don't realize is actually that. You can block your sword to avoid assassinations, you can go medic to avoid getting killed by pyro, you can go different routes to trick archers. Although you would die from another class (ex. Heavy) at least you avoided the instant kill. Lets just stop complaining about us dying too many times and caring too much about stats, because that's what I'm really seeing here. Instant kills shouldn't be removed ENTIRELY, but more like being changed to make it fair for everyone.

 

u can say it so easy obi -_-
i dont have good ping

the problem is that brawl is on us so like i heard many eu players dont have such a good ping
do u understand
@obikenobi21

i know what teamwork is -_-

 

If you dun have good ping that affects every class you play, including insta-kills. I dun see yur point. keep or remove them, your ping will still be bad, and you will still be affected. So why not just balance the game xdd

 

u dont understand
but well i dont see any reason why this thread is still existing
cause the community voted that instakills should be kept

 

l0l wtf, neither of those are an argument. I could say you dun understand too, but that get's nowhere.

 

If you have bad ping it is so much easier to be pinglorded by a one hit assassin than beaten in a 30-hit 1v1 as heavy

 

So that's a point to remove insta-kills because of that right? If assassin takes advantage of ping that much (which it does), then rework the class, removing the insta-kill. Same for pyro, and archer just needs a rework anyway.

 

What I'm trying to say here is that if instant kills were removed, most of the time it would be very difficult (for even a small game sometimes) to get out of a flag room, this is why I said it might turn into "Get More Kills". I know Mage and Engineer are PvP classes, but they have range with makes these classes cheap and get very abused, this also includes dwarf as I see many nubs now using this class. That's why I'm saying their kills shouldn't count when referring to the tie-breaker and instant kills in general. Sure pyro can PvP with their axe against a medic and if they kill them THAT would count as a kill. Of course if the tie-breaker is changed, which it should, then that's something else to talk about. I know instant kills are about the deaths. A good solution, maybe that best, is to let pyros have true damage and have a delay on their flint and steel to avoid spamming (which a lot of pyro nubs do). Assassins probably do about 8 hearts of damage, just so that's fair a bit for the offense/defense/recov. Archer stays the same to be honest because its fine. Although its probably the most used class, there are probably only 1-2 good people per game anyways (those are where the good shots come from) sometimes luck but not so much. I can see why you want instant kills removed so badly but fixing/tweaking the classes would be so much better than going full out no instant kills. If we start nerfing the instant kills now. Then we will see. "Start out an idea slow to big, not just straight to big" Nerf the instant kills with true damage and leave archer alone. Dwarf so be nerved entirely but that's off topic at this time.

 

CTF is about the team, not going individual. Have you even played CTF?

 

Taking away insta kills makes bulky classes such as chemist, medic and even heavy better for capping. On the other hand, dwarf would appeal to noobs more due to the absurd damage they deal compared to other classes, plus the fact that they can't die to assassins. Insta kills have been a part of CTF since its release, so let's not change something so prominent.

 

The assumption that medic heavy and chemist would become better for capping is only based on the assumption that pyro assassin and archer would be nerfed. This thread says why we should remove the instakill from these classes, not that these classes are too overpowered and should be removed.

Of course dwarves could still die to assassins. The whole point of an assassin is eliminating juggernauts. The change would be that it may take 3 hits instead of 1, but dwarf's survivability ratio wouldn't be increased at all.

 

u said it XD

yes

 

Then are new to ctf or old for ctf?

Then are new to ctf or old for ctf?

 

I love insta-kills. You never have to worry about anyone.



Except the STUPID MEDICS.

 

If you didn't get my jist, I was actually supporting insta kill classes. When you said my assumption was based on an assumption, you can't really criticise me on that, because all of this is opinion and speculation anyway.

 

Two things: ctf is not pure pvp, it requires teamwork and apperently it has instakills, it is impossible to play ctf withought instakills. Let me explain: medics. If the enemies have an army of medics, one with your flag, you lose. It is impossible to get your flag back. Plus instakills could make you better at pvp cause of reaction time.

Second: tutorial for newbies.