Bring Back Wool

Is it THAT HARD for new people to learn that the flag is wool. Plus wool has way more advantages over the banner. I don't care that this has been discussed a million times. We keep bringing it up because we have too many problems with it. Although I don't know coding stuff, I would think it is just one simple code to change banners to wool. Like honestly, one person's opinion over the community that know their CTF probably more than all the admins combined.

 

Okay, this is not about what we want. This is about making a functioning balanced game, @KingBrawl. Banners impede that. I understand how they can't be fixed right now, and that's fine, but when there is time, then DO fix it.

 

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But anyway, i preferred the wool because of the cool animation, not because of gameplay interference. Maybe because i'm too busy using archer than actually bothering to capture.
But tbh, i've faced no problems with banner so far, i just preferred the wool.

 

@NomNuggetNom is this your alt?

 

No, this is Patrick.

 

Im not sure making 50 posts about this issue is needed.

 

49 wouldn't exist if the wool had been re added.

 

48 wouldn't exist if people could read either.

(half joke, half salt = sarcasm)

 

If nom can successfully code this: maybe their can be a compromise of a "half a banner"
-It's easy to see the banner on someone
-Has all aspects of the wool and no more annoyance of the hit-box

 

The armor stand is what messes up the banner, banners themselves would be okay.

 

I am going to add my own opinion to the fire.
Although I agree with everything that was said here, I feel like some people are overreacting.
And before you tell me I am a brawl f4g(because some mcpvpers tell me that even though you are the dying race), I have CTF back when wool was a thing(and I had ninja, and I was good at the game for how little I played).
People are afraid of change, and I feel like the drive for the anti-banner argument is more based on hate towards change. It's true that it does obstruct view, etc etc, but some of you must realize 2 things.
1. You are the minority here, I am willing to bet that 75% or more people do not have a forums account, the casual players. Would they change the wool to banners for no reason? No, of course not. In my opinion it looks aesthetically better than the wool did. That is just my opinion, but the majority of players(the noobs/casuals) would probably say that the banner looked better. If the coder didn't realize that the banner looks better than wool to most players he wouldn't implement it in the first place.
2. Acts of hate and rioting will not help you at all. If anything, this would make the coder less likely to change it, so present your point in a better way, not just hating brawl and it's exhistance because of wool and banners. Instead of wanting wool back, ask for fixes for the banner. Do not complain about a problem without a solution.

 

#wool

Wool is so much better

 

Out solution is wool. There's no way to code a banner that doesn't obstruct. There has to be an entity to reduce the hitbox, which means there's an unclickable zone.

 

Maybe we could use the banner as a cape instead? I feel that would look better than the wool.

This is very negative.
You should be more objective and try to help in the situation and not trying to bring someone down.
No, brawl is not nom, he has been here longer than any of the mcpvp people here.

 

Beans?

Don't worry about Tom, just smile & nod along.

 

They already fixed it, it wasn't part of the game since the flag changed from wool to banner. I also found a weird glitch that when you freeze someone, the ice doesn't break... You Can Have Your Own Personal Snow Globe! ^_^

 

1. What happens when the casual players become regulars? What happens when they start understanding the game and how the banner can break it? Are you implying that we should keep all the new players constantly in the dark from a change that has already shown how it can obstruct gameplay? And again, you're only argument is that "we don't like change" and "banners are more aesthetically better." If you truly were a MCPVPer, you would know how long we went without any changes to the gameplay. We begged for change, and we were granted many good things, especially from Nom (engineer, necro, map waves, more commands) and I appreciate all of it. However, not all change is good, and when you still have a good amount of people still saying that banners are a bad idea, it's not that fact that we don't like change anymore. Aesthetics should not be put over gameplay. It's your opinion of the "aesthetic appeals" from the banner, and it's my opinion that wool was 100x better in every aspect. However, it's also our opinions vs the facts that banners have a hitbox. Banners take a portion out of your view when you f5. Banners obstruct any right clicking movements (potions / block / assasinations / wall climb / mage spells / pyro's bow / snowballs / etc.) Gameplay > Aesthetics and facts > opinions.

2. Acts of hate and rioting are all we have left? Have you not already seen the multitude of threads posted about this change? Don't you think that after all this time, if banners were not a problem, people would have given up? Banners still cause issues, and I don't want to put blame on anyone. I agree, we should not slander on the coders, but the coders should also listen to the community, or at least the part of it with maturity. We have asked hundreds of times for change, and we have posted solutions, but Nom has told us why some of them won't work. I strive for change because I care about CTF. I have spent hundreds, near probably thousands of hours on CTF. I want people to have the same fun I do when I play, and I don't want them to have that same frustration when the banner blocks an assassin while in f5. Or when they were not able to steal the flag since they couldn't steak while looking at the banner. Or when their ninja pearl hit the hitbox. I think Nom is a great coder, and my problem is with the banners, not Brawl.

 

Shouldn't that statement there be enough for the change to happen?
Like honestly.

 

I'm going to throw my two cents into this, here goes nothing.

When the banners were initially added, I wasn't jumping on board with the idea. I think that it was a really bad decision to ignore the community and to keep the change, which did impact a lot of people in a negative aspect. I also disagreed with the aesthetics argument, which the main priority was always to put game play over aesthetics, and that still remains, or at least it should. The banners at that time made the game a mess and I wasn't all for it myself, but it's always good to have faith, which I did.

Let's fast forward to the present now. Overtime, the banners have been tweaked for a better experience (placing them on the fence post was a wonderful idea,) and the banners have not been as much of a issue as of recently, at least in my experience. Sure, the mechanics aren't exactly the same as the wool, but that's something that can't exactly be helped. I have learned to adjust to the banners and their mechanics and I don't see the point in raging when it's not much of a difference. Of course, it's not the same, but we have to learn to adjust and adapt and I'd say a fair amount of people did, definitely more than expected. Now, don't get me wrong here, I'd like to see the wool return as much as the next guy. But, some of these "arguments" are extremely over exaggerated and puts a bad light on the community.

Overall, I don't agree with the staffs decision to change to the banners, but they aren't necessarily bad after learning to adapt to them (which, to be honest, didn't take that long.) I don't see much of a difference in the game play and I believe that a lot of these arguments are pointless, especially since the banner isn't that much different in the end. I'm fine with the banners, I hope that the rest of the community can come to the sense that it's really not that much of a difference and the overreactions are just putting a bad light on us.

 

What @NomNuggetNom said.