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Discussion in 'Capture the Flag' started by Plautius, Nov 9, 2015.

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  1. Plautius

    Plautius Well-Known Member

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    0.4 seconds is plenty to kill a pyro (; 0.4 seconds is plenty to be killed by a pyro before you can wallclimb. 0.4 seconds is plenty to be killed by a ninja before you get healed. 0.4 seconds, keeler, is more than you think.

    @Ironic_Boogeyman thanks for saying that, it proves another point I have made in the past: If Brawl is too incompetent to keep shxt going, then why would they buy it in the first place.. So, if they take CTF down, it's finally free for others to buy. Oh wait, no one needs the code anymore, they all have their own stuff coded by now^^
     
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  2. Icarus_82

    Icarus_82 Well-Known Member

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    You misunderstand, I was simply saying that "400+" ping is not a delay of "literally seconds", its a delay of <1 second (most likely).
    I understand the importance ping has and how it affects gameplay
     
  3. BAWSS5

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    Brawl's doing the same job with lag that mcpvp was (which is to say f*ck all, because there's f*ck all to do). You seem to attribute malice or mismanagement to problems that aren't malice or mismanaged at all. Lag is not a brawl problem. It's computer and internet connection.

    Everybody on this server seems to forget how absolutely terrible mcpvp could be sometimes.

    I say again... ctf is garbage and has been for 3 years.

    At this point it's the fault of CTF'ers that you guys still play this game instead of maybe ANYTHING ELSE.
     
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  4. Ironic_Gentleman

    Ironic_Gentleman Well-Known Member

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    Where, may I ask, did I state that Brawl was incompetent? I merely stated that the server lacks funding. This is not a problem with Brawl, it is a problem among all Minecraft servers. Why did MCPvP shut down? Oh! Maybe it had something to do with a lack of funds.
     
  5. Plautius

    Plautius Well-Known Member

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    Let me quote from some dictionary site defining competence.
    the quality of being competent; adequacy; possession of required skill, knowledge, qualification, or capacity.

    So, if they don't have the capacity to host CTF (which they don't seem to have, do they, lack of funds and stuff), they are incompetent to host it. Incompetent from latin in-com-posse. posse means "to be able to", com means "with" and the "in" is a negating prefix. They are not able to. Do you get my point >_>

    So maybe CTF should be hosted by someone competent of doing so, who does have the capacity, or the funds, or is willing to take a bit of minus.
     
  6. BAWSS5

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    Inability due to lack of funding and playerbase =/= inability due to incompetence.

    Let me remind you that the servers you are suggesting brawl needs would cost more than the entire profitability CTF has left, by no insignificant amount.

    Again, you are attributing incompetence to what can be explained by lack of money.

    Can you guys all stop taking yourselves seriously for a while and realize that the game you all fight so hard for couldn't make money even with the reworks you're suggesting? Like, nothing short of a massive playerbase increase can save CTF.
     
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  7. ReubenS

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    1. How will you get the initial funds to start the server up?
    2. How will you sustain the server? (no new players = less money long term)
    3. Who will be your coder(s) will they be paid? Are they good and loyal?
    4. Will CTF be coded from scratch or the code bought?
    5. Where will you host it? Will there be a EU and a US server(splitting the community)?
    6. Will there be forums? you'll need a host for that too
    7. Will this server be just for regulars, or will it include new players?
    8. Will there be a council?
    9. Who will be in charge of the funds? What would stop them from taking all the money and bolting?
    10. How will new changes be approved? by council or by popular vote?
    11. Will the server be populated enough for people to come over from brawl's CTF?
    12. How long would this project take? Others will lose interest as time goes by
    13. How many regulars will transfer over? Not everyone has bad connection or cares about the flag change

    Large networks could host CTF, but I have the feeling they'd "edit" it to make it super noob friendly and introduce crappy maps. There was a game acquired by mineplex and they completely screwed it up http://mineplex.wikia.com/wiki/Search_and_Destroy
     
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  8. Plautius

    Plautius Well-Known Member

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    well, the CTF alternatives seem to manage. and if you just ask a few people to join the hosting costs, im sure it would be fine. i also offered brawl to fund an EU server, but no answer there. how expensive do you reckon this is? Per month.. I suspect one server doesnt cost much more than a hundred bucks per month. Just the hosting, that is^^

    also, about coders. i recently saw a screen of alex. the screen was taken within the skype coders/programmers chat. seemed to be minecraft focused, i recognized some names from CTF. So, there were 66 people in there. Do you think you would find five good coders in there who would be willing to dedicate some time into CTF for a low amount of money? I think so^^

    there are enough alternatives. as i said. there are enough people out there who seem to think they can manage. im not one of them. but i definetely support them everywhere i can as long as i cant play here decently.
     
  9. ReubenS

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    Why aren't you playing on those alternative servers then? Why are you still here? Certainly if those alternatives are better you'd be busy helping them out instead of arguing on a gamemode that has "bad" gameplay and connection. Unless.. there aren't any players on that alternative server.
    Also check my post above. I edited it



    Plautius: So, there were 66 people in there. Do you think you would find five good coders in there who would be willing to dedicate some time into CTF for a low amount of money?

    I've heard that having multiple coders is not always a good idea. And 5 out of 66 coders who will work for cheap for a small server? Doesn't sound very likely in my opinion. @NomNuggetNom can you verify/contradict this?

    Sorry for multiple posts
     
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  10. Plautius

    Plautius Well-Known Member

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    sorry your edited post has too many numbers i am not reading it. and if you only have to find one out of 66, that's even easier^^ you were the one who used the plural of coder first, not me.

    and as i also said, the CTF alts are all in the making. for now no one is going anywhere because it's impossible to play on these servers, but some have a pretty nice fundament already.

    Which answers most of your questions. As I have also said, I am willing to fund projects like EU servers or un-laggy CTF alts, so that'd take care of that. Coders will in most cases also be server owners which takes care of the loyalty problems, and if they've gotten a CTF to run they are competent enough to keep it updated.

    There is by the way a CTF code on the internet, important dependencies are missing, though. But for the gamemode itself you can get a lot of stuff out there. And anyone with any gamemode has the dependency.. Also the ones who bought headshot, for example. And exact politics depend on the server / the owner, but I can't imagine someone creating an alternative and then scrapping a large playerbase by not listening to them, which would be a transfer reason for most, anyhow.

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  11. sateburger

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    tbh u cannot just force someone/something to be straight
    if ctf wants to be gay let it be gay :frowning:(((((((

    meme
     
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  12. Plautius

    Plautius Well-Known Member

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    got convinced by @sateburger apologies to everyone
     
  13. Tenshirox

    Tenshirox C a p t u r e F l a g

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    Servers are bought in "Boxes" which is more than 1 single server to put it in simple terms. Not only would you have to find a EU host but you'd also have to pay a rather hefty sum of money to keep them running. Pricing depends on companies but the boxes that Brawl uses are estimated around $150 but EU boxes are nowhere near that price. Even if you could afford and fund it it'd also mean they'd have to involve you in their finances which causes issues as well as an annoying amount of setup for this box.

    All of this wouldnt even amount to much anyway, the EU community is small and can handle a little lag, you might as well just wait until the "Alt" servers are up and play on those until they die out due to no new players joining.

    TL;DR you dont know what you're talking about.
     
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  14. Plautius

    Plautius Well-Known Member

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    cheese.

    when did we even get to the point where we are talking about hosting details when i was telling you lag is making CTF unplayable and brawl ought to fix it not me
     
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  15. Tenshirox

    Tenshirox C a p t u r e F l a g

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    1) Brawl lag is a personal issue
    2) "I am willing to fund projects like EU servers or un-laggy CTF alts, so that'd take care of that"
     
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  16. Plautius

    Plautius Well-Known Member

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    yep, i am offering help, but brawl is the one who has to come up with a solution tyvm
     
  17. BuIIy

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    This post inspired me thanku @clogs for writing it and thank u @Plautius for posting it cuz clogs is banned :smile:)
     
  18. ZapCrusher

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    Some Reworks and other things are needed, but there are always one-two rules for a server
    1.Make it fun
    2.Make it easy for new players
     
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