This is my apology for 3-4 years of my...well stuff.

Of course this isn't a perfect world; that's why I'm criticizing it! I'm hoping people will become a bit closer to "paragons of good" because frankly, in this case it isn't too much to ask at all.

And in the post where I snapped at boom, I made sure to give advice. I can tell you with a straight face that I meant nothing bad by anything that I said, and that what I said I wanted him to take to heart.

 

I think we all want that, but I for one wouldn't expect it to pop up out of this situation. There's going to be a lot of dirt needed to fill this hole back up.

And in the posts here where people snapped at boom, we made sure to give good advice (for the most part). At the very least people stated why they can't trust him and indirectly stated that they still want to. There's very few threads here that outright state that boom will never be accepted. For the most part, it's just a bunch of people fed up with the same old song and dance. People have the capacity for patience. I can tell you with a straight face that I've never meant any malice to him, and I can say that I genuinely think people can and will forgive boom.

All it takes is some visible effort on his part. Again, that he's promised as much and failed to deliver only exarcebates the problem.

And yes, I will keep talking about you like you're not here, @OrderMakesChaos. At this point it's in the interests of the debate and to hopefully get other people talking as well. The best thing that can come from this thread at this point is if a whole bunch of people got their reasoning for distrusting you out in the open and in plain words, and then you're able to accept their reasons without attempting to shift the blame and/or without taking personal offense at people, even if they're blatantly trolling you. I trust you'll change, Banana trusts you'll change, and Admiral trusts you'll change.
Only you can validate this trust, sir.

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@everyone else

I know you guys probably either ignored this or are not exactly reading the whole debate, but I hope you at least read the paragraph above.

 

I don't expect it to be easy for some people, which is why I'm asking it of them. I do think it's possible, and that the truth is we're a remarkable group of friends.

However, I'm also open to the possibility of boom failing us again. Who knows? It's possible, but there's no use thinking negatively.

And a quick message to boom: don't expect everyone to instantly be nice to you now. We're expecting some significant change, and we know that you're capable of it. It's up to you.

 

That's a reward sir, forums first

 

I personally think you should keep the mute. Maybe it will help you along your way since you won't able to be able to express your undying anger in chat. If you and I are still here after the time you've been muted and I see proof over a period of time that you've changed, I'll be the first one to say I was wrong, and you did deserve one final chance.

@Bananaman314 i will say I admire your ability to try and see the light in everything and everyone. That is indeed a rare thing tbh. Wish I had it, but sadly I lost the ability to afford it a while ago.

 

This is my last reply until tomorrow, but I'd like to say that this is making you look terrible already.

In all honesty and with the best of intentions, I've got to say that you, at the moment, look like you're only apologizing to get speaking back.

Not how it works, sir. You've got to walk before you can run. Accept that you're muted in-game, recognize that you're not muted here, and focus on proving you want to change here before you can show that you've changed there.

Walk before you can run, m8.

 

^^^^ good advice imo. Start interacting with the community more on forums. Maybe that'll help get respect points and get an unmute early.

 

I seem to be included within the group you speak of.

My stance will not be changed. I'm not 'angry' at boom for anything, but I definitely do not trust him, and do think he was in the wrong for his past actions. He made the general apology for his past actions, which I did not accept as the apology didn't seem sincere to me.
Respect, once it had been lost, must be earned back. I won't treat him like ****, but not will I 'respect' him or be superbly friendly with him. Sure, admitting to a fault is the first step to gaining back respect, but it's a step that has been repeated far too often and resulted in no positive action. Boom has to prove his words with his actions.

I will not help someone who is not willing to help themselves, I see it as a waste of time unless the person involved has a personal connection with me.

Anyways, my original statement was that the apology won't cut it. I need to see more to care and accept the apology, otherwise it's simply meaningless.

 

lol what did this guy dooooo
gotta love those ctf dramas

 

Hello Everyone Again I can't help but get notifications from this thread and I see there is a lot of back and forth argument. Staying on topic to why the thread has been posted is key on proving points Also I love how Lord

Went threw and actually Proved some points Lord I personally have seen you before but the way you replied to that thread was very Helpful atleast from what I saw it was keep up the good work look forward to seeing more posts.

Also If I may ask this why so far is everyone putting his personal problems out there everyone on this entire website would either 1.) Make a post complaining 2.) Tell a mod about it or 3.) Personally be Ashamed which don't get me wrong I don't know the story but there are some things that belong on forms and some that need to be handled on TeamSpeak(Private channel) or Skype(Chat or call) but to put someones own personal issues out there in my honest opinion I think is wrong and a lot of you need to think about that. At no such point is posting that he wants dirty Pictures from people or that he faked suicide which let me get in depth on this matter I had a close friend do this so it gets to me when people say this as an excuse it also sort of upsets me to see that some people now days take it as a joke from first hand id know its nothing to joke about but its also something that you never bring on forms an I know half the mods would agree no matter how much you guys argue with me on this I kindly ask you if you guys are going continue to try to prove whos right whos wrong take it to Skype or TeamSpeak this was a thread asking for forgiveness not a Donald trump debate.

 

Anyone can say the words that they forgive someone, it's as easy as "I forgive X". The problem is it can suffer from the same thing as the word "Sorry": If it isn't sincere then it means practically nothing. I admire that you wish to keep things here so positive, but personally I am far past that point with boomdrone. Given what he has said, done and lied about, even given personal reasons, I know that if I were to say those words now they would be about as empty as I believe this thread to be. If that situation changed, and I was confident boomdrone actually meant what he said this time, then I could say those words with more sincerity. At the moment that isn't the case, and so those words are worthless. Saying you forgive someone is hugely important, it matters so much to someone that is sincere, and I don't want to degrade that by saying those words to someone that I don't believe is truly apologetic about what he's done in the first place.

 

I agree with you and @Bananaman314

Chaos you are exaggerating. You are taking this game way to serious. As others said it's a game of blocks. If boomdrone wants to start over then give him atleast a chance, he just wants to play the game. Maybe you should take a break, go outside or something... <- and I'm not saying that to bully you, but out of concern. The obsession over this game I see by some people is really disturbing

 

@Risabu

f*ck, you just summed up my argument in as many words.

@AgentSeraph
Care to use a period once and a while? That entire thing is one big sentence and it's consequentally nigh on impossible to read, but suffice to say that you're not exactly a moderator, and people should be and are free to post their opinions however they so choose.

If this were done in teamspeak or skype, it wouldn't exactly have the same level of meaning as a straight-up forum thread.

Please don't tell me I should be ashamed of my actions, I know perfectly well what I'm saying.

@TOM_SAYS

I'd normally agree with the statement 'chill out it's a block game', except that only really makes sense when you're dealing with people mad at the mechanics. It could be a triangle game and, if boomdrone still did what he did in the past, I'd expect the same reaction.

The fact that this is taking place over minecraft is literally inconsequential to the discussion. It's about an independant member of the forums, not a hard-coded bot or gameplay quirk.

And again, I see not just outright rejection forever, but @Risabu, @BrandinoB, and @LordChaos_92 have all said varying degrees of "he's done wrong, an apology won't cut it, and he needs to prove himself trustworthy". That's exactly what needs to happen.

 

I'd agree, but the reason I dislike you is because of your previous actions, not because I have a prejudice. If you can show me that you're willing to change through actions rather than words, then I'm willing to let the past fade. Whilst I did mention earlier that people forgive but don't forget, those previously actions can be overwritten by the present. You are absolutely right that at this point in time you could say sorry a million times and I wouldn't react differently, because at this point in time I want to see action from you to see that you've changed, and what you're saying is true. Like I said before, actions speak louder than words. If you can prove to me you've changed, then I'm willing to give you a chance. Whilst it is true that I dislike you (I'm not going to beat about the bush here) that isn't set in stone, as things can always change.

I think this is a different matter from the apology to be fair. You want to be unmuted in order to prove to the community you can be nice in game, meaning it is related, but on a different tangent. The way I see this is that if you're willing to say something in game, then you're willing to accept the consequences those words have. For example, if you were to outright insult a player and a mod caught you and muted you for an hour, by insulting the player you agree to the consequences (in this case the mute). Beforehand you were banned, and I think the moderator that unbanned you was being generous at the time because those were the consequences of your previous actions. They unbanned you, but also muted you so that there were still consequences to face. I think it would be fairly reasonable to keep that mute, because at the end of the day you said something to warrant it in the first place. One of the ways you can begin to change your image is to accept the consequences of your actions in the past, and I think it would be a good starting point to not only say you're sorry for what has transgressed, but also that you're willing to make up for that time, and accept the penalty.

My point here is there's usually a reason for someone to hate you. I think given the circumstances of your past you've probably caused those people to hate you for fairly solid reasons, and so now you've decided to change, you're going to have to face that criticism until you change your image entirely. The problem with images and impressions is that it can be incredibly easy to make it negative, but incredibly difficult to turn it positive. If you want to prove those haters wrong, then I wish you the very best of luck. I'd rather have a warm contributing person in the community than one not there at all. However, I will warn you now it's going to be incredibly difficult to change those opinions, and so people are not wrong that it's going to take a lot of effort from you in order to do that. I am impressed by the people who have stuck up for you, because they have more faith in people than myself. Never lose that faith, it helps resolve situations like this much more quickly

 

Considering he is muted, I'd be rather surprised if he is acting in the same manner in chat..

 

I was talking about his tone on the thread, I'm well aware he can't speak in chat, so I'm basing his change in attitude from what I can see