What makes a good War player / Rant mixed in together.

Nice stuff, I will read it when i get home XD

I voted for it

 

Nice post mrcowlick, I do agree with allmost everything here.
Its sad that so many new players look up to peaple that donate and go mini every game, And don't care about the legit "PRO"s that grinded there way there. Just bcuz they have a little bader KDR.
I grinded My way to 100, Do I deserve a cookie?

Don't care about My grammar I was waiting this in the morning with My Phone.

 

Just because high stat players use different tactics to get high scores doesn't mean their skills are any less than old players. Believe me, @_19 would crush any of your old players.

 

I do feel as if the game is very pay to win. Any time you offer weapons that can only be bought with real money, and set you off on a huge advantage, it is a imbalanced system. Imo

 

I agree completely. I hate when players boast about their lvl when they have MVP or VIP or something like that and uses donor guns like they get paid to. Also, it's one thing to nuke, but it's another to do it when there isn't at least a lvl 30+ in sight. Most of those triple nuke or double nuke videos are on servers with 1: not many people, and 2: all very low level people. I am proud of when I nuke on a server with 100+'s on. I honestly don't really care when there's no one good on.

 

Believe me, he wouldn't even crush me. And I have nuked this player entity a few dozen times on my smurf.

I agree 100% on this thread. I have no respect for these people and don't see a reason why should I care about their laughable stats.
Wow, you spent 100$ on the server to look like someone you aren't!

 

No. You guys don't have confidence to play gun game or FFA, and those games are the ones that take skill.

I had a 4.5 kdr at level 20 and I believe I was one of the better players back in the day, especially since Mafia always let me in his clans when I was below requirements. He saw my skill and what I can do in the game, so why not?

You can see my aim here, but yes I was using ISO. Nowadays, I use low tier guns like aa12, m9 etc. and still drop kill streaks.

FFA was always my favourite gamemode, but I must say it's become not as fun. People running around with diamond armor and minigun, where new players have absolutely no chance to even compete. When I began playing, I had a chance to actually win from the start, but it's changed for newer players. The ego of high level players has increased so much even though high levels isnt such an achievement anymore. I remember when like 31+ was such a great achievement, I had that back in like march 2013 when I was in flux. Everyone was like ooooo prestige player when I logged in, and I actually felt accomplished. But things changed.

 

Completely right. I am from the old days too and I remeber mebmatt and meltin. They would rekt every1 here.
The new type of player has scavenger, ray, mini and leave if a gungame appears.

I have worked up my way to 100+ without buying xp, mvp or vip, but today it means nothing.

 

1) Just because someone donates doesn't mean they are any good. And I would assert that many donators never become any good, they follow the statistical law of averages like anyone else. Truly Elite War players are a small number and while it crushes the ego the data of KDR is the best apples to apples comparison as to how good someone is. Sorry you can not measure 360 jump trickshot shooting or ability to fly spin kick jump while aiming.

2) Innovators, creative types, and students of the game are constantly looking how to get better. These people keep improving while others actually get worse over time.

3) Only players with Kills over 10,000 should be considered. Anything less than 10,000 kills should not count because of the small sample size.

4) Personally, I think War legends have these things in common
4.1 - Notable members on the forums, quality posts, thought leaders in the game.
4.2 - KDR higher than 4
4.3 - They change the game by creating Mods, Texture Packs, or other innovative things that change how we interact with the game.
4.4 - They are either in or contribute to their clan, which builds a positive culture.
4.5 - Or they make the ultimate sacrifice and become Mods (which in this environment is very difficult)


5) KDR is really the leading indicator how good someone is. Many of the so called legends were in fact average gamers who just repetitively played a lot, they received a boost from having a large clan, or having similarly skilled players in their clan. KDR tells a story whether anyone wants to believe it or not. The data doesn't lie.

Here are some Elite players
@meltingangel KDR 8.54
@Idiotic (Tyuioblitz) KDR 8.15
@tupaq19 KDR 6.38
@MR_EVIL_OVERLORD KDR 5.97 (I would like to thank @phillip0602 , @fillpant , @Striker_Sly for being awesome teachers).
@Striker_Sly KDR 5.96

And here are some Pro players, who based on the data are considered professional but not truly elite.
@MafiaFerret KDR 4.05
@tallscot KDR 4.32

Average Gamers
@iEddie KDR 2.99
@Mrcowlick KDR 2.66

Check out where you are in the bell curve based on your KDR.

 

My KDR is terrible because I didn't understand it or work on it until level 40

 

When you buy Armor or superarmor every round and only use Mini, ray, cbow, and Iso tp get a 3.0+ KDR.

 

In my opinion, boosting your levels by a little bit is ok. However if you boost it by like 50 levels, that's another deal. Some players are very good at playing and have high levels but donated for a chunk of them. I believe when i was about level 15, I voted for about 10 levels so I could get into the 30's. I didn't realize back then how much hate a player would get for doing that. Donor items, I'm not getting into.

 

Lol, your name with that comment.

 

Whoa, are you guys gonna present that to an university or something? Both this post and the thread are great!

As I like to admit, Im not skilled... People kinda think I am because I have a lot of kills and a somewhat high kdr (?).

People tend to say I'm good at war, that's a little dangerous to say... What do you mean by "good"? I mean, Im not skilled... But I do know how to camp, where to camp, basic movement strategies etc....

So, that would make me a "good" war player, but not a good one. (Confusing? I guess so)

What I must brag about is my knowledge and experience on war, but there is a evident line dividing this knowledge and actual skill.

I'll be even more extremist should you allow me, brace with me....

I think there is not actual way to measure skill within the stats given on McWar, kdr must be the most accurate of them all, but even so, I believe it is highly overrated! The way the game is designed, with a pay2win basis, makes it feasible for anyone with a raygun, scavenger and a little patience to get a high kdr.

We can apply the same logic to any stat really, kills are even more obvious: anyone with raygun, scav and a decent amount of playtime is able to have a bunch of kills. And I prefer not to mention Level... If you don't see how level is the utmost definition of pay2win here on war, I suggest you reconsider calling yourself a rational human being. What does LVL 100+ mean nowadays? Just like Mrcowlick said.

I've seen some players asking me how am I "so good", to you, I tell:
Roll the drums.....
I'm about to share the Ferret's secret in public!....
You will now be able to be as good as I am!...
The secret is...............

[Get scav, get a long range gun (I suggest msr) find a camping spot, camp. Maybe you can move to another camping spot from time to time. If you gonna play infect, grab your raygun, camp in a good spot (tower, thin corridor, etc...). Alongside with that you just need some very, very basic reflexes and motor coordination.
It is worth mentioning that there are other donor items that will make your life even easier: C4 to kill humans on Infect and avoid being killed while camping on TDM; MVP so you can get more credits and buy more armor, in order to be even harder to kill]

All that pep talk lead me to ask a question:
What is skill?

Make sure to reply wether you agree or disagree (mainly disagree) so we can continue this nice discussion.

 

Tru dat.

I've always been against MVP's and such. I had MVP at lvl 90 or so BECAUSE someone donated me (if I remember right).

Like d3, I had way over 100k kills before lvl 100 unlike many others.

Now I just kinda fool around like @MafiaFerret. I can nuke as much as I like to if I want to. (<---- not even trying to)

 

None of these things matter to me. To me, what makes a war player good, is how much they help the community and actually act kindly towards others (something that's very rare nowadays).