CTF Holiday Update

OMG

wait i don't get pyro BUT IDFC

 

As a pyro main I kinda like it thanks nom ^^

 

Well, I guess it's back to Pyro. Thanks for the update Nom .

 

It's about time Soldier got a nerf.

 

I usually don't contribute to these things...
I really like the updates. (Especially pyro)
Although, I believe the chemist nerf is a bit too far. 1/3 of your mana bar is a lot for 1 potion saying the damage isn't insane. As for the health potions, this won't work out with the new damage potions. This is because with the health potions now being Health II, you will have to use them more often to stay alive, and using more potions means using more mana which is already making using damage potions unusable.

tl;dr I really liked the update but chemist is just completely over nerfed.

 

I hate how CTF never gets updated.
I also hate how they clearly never use the ideas the community post.
I especially hate how they always use the 'we had reworks ready but were waiting for a coder' excuse.
>:l


p.s. here is the pyro explained in more depth for those confused - boop

 

Love the new pyro and can't wait to see how this change unfolds!

 

I don't think the pyro rework is going to work at all. Capping is going to be far too easy.

Only true damage means you deal 3.5 hearts per hit, maybe up to 4.5 with crits? That's a 3-shot for any class, meaning it's a game of health pool. And sure, you can do the frenzy mode thing but you won't always have it active, and defensive pyro doesn't get a lot of chances to hit things (often, the first thing you hit during a match is a soldier capper).

Pyro should be a counter to chemist, and even with the chemist nerf it has a huge health pool. This means a chemist can probably trot into a flagroom (even in a match scenario), pot around, and survive for a really long time.

Ninja now can't be easily taken care of by pyros, meaning a pyro pretty much has to 3-hit a ninja to kill it. This gives ample time for a soldier to get in and out, and even if you deal with the ninja you get a couple 3.5 heart hits on the soldier, maybe double that if you're lucky.

Pyro needs to counter high health pool and high armoured classes. This rework only counters high-armour, low-health pool, and even soldier's health pool is high enough to withstand a pyro.

There's a lot of suggestions I can make, but I'd recommend:

• To counter chemist and ninja, any player on fire has buffs suppressed by 1 level until the fire runs out.
• To make pyro more of a counter to high health pool classes, any players on fire will have their health regen halved (so steak heals 2 hearts, pots heal half of whatever health II is).
  
• You could improve crowd control by making any melee hits from a pyro chain to any other enemies on fire in a small radius - perhaps a feature of frenzy mode?

But hey, these reworks were a long time coming and they're better than what we had before. Thanks nom!

EDIT: So a heavy 1v1 will more likely than not take you down 4 steaks now if you're playing pyro and starting without frenzy. Considering pyro should be the quintessential counter to heavy, I think this is plenty indication that pyro still needs work.

EDIT 2: I think ninja can be reverted back to sharp 4 now, with chemist and pyro both being nerfed. (nvm lol)

EDIT 3: I'm just gonna keep riding off this post since it's high up. I think direct, fully-charged hits from a bow should count towards the frenzy bar, to provide incentive to aim and to make archer battles easier.

 

and......

NO NINJA CHANGES.

seriously you need to implement something to prevent premature pearl capping

 

Omg a soldier update...and a pyro update?!?! I can't breathe

 

I agree with this, pyro needs its instakill. There is no easy way to quickly cover the flag as there was with pyro.

 

I think true damage can work, I just don't think this is the correct way to do it.

 

Thanks for screwing pyro over big time

 

Chemist capper's almost never need to use instant damage for the duration of their run between the sides of the map meaning that this complaint although a valid opinion doesn't really warrant being addressed. Instant damage potions should be used like egg bombs as a distraction method, they should not be a replacement for a sword or strafing.

It is definitely a nerf people will need some time to get used to but chemist is the most overpowered class currently in CTF. It has an incredible damage output can be used as a support class, a solo capping class, a team capping class, a midfield control class, and a defending class. There is no doubt in my mind that something as silly as losing pot-spam will not cripple the class .

Pyro has defined all CTF defenses since its release. There is NO REASON to have a class be so necessary. Also, pyro's only reason for existence so far has been to stop soldiers and chemists, something that won't be as much of a problem now.

 

Additionally, for all those who still want to complain, we had no choice over keeping instakill. It was simply not allowed to happen. If you truly insist pyro has been ruined, play another game, simple as that. These reworks took long enough to complete [especially for Nom with the many edits and fixes] without more complaining that classes have been ruined. Feedback is different from "you ruined the class!!"

Thanks.

 

Ok Here are some ideas.

• Keep original pyro because no one was complaining about it
• Ninja pearl comes back to inventory when a flag is collected, (therefore no premature pearling) and the additional time taken to collect the flag also applies to ninjas when collecting the flag off the ground
• Engineer needs changes; I have no idea how but it needs to be changed so that it at least has a chance of being put in matches.

 

Well, rest in piece the balance of CTF. Lets see where this goes and how the entire gamemode will be changed. Could be interesting :O

 

i cry