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Comparing Elf and Soldier

Discussion in 'Capture the Flag' started by Plautius, Jan 2, 2016.

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  1. Plautius

    Plautius Well-Known Member

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    Hi!

    I'm sorry to annoy you with another rework complaint. I am, also, in favor of a soldier nerf! Wallspam can be pretty damn annoying for recovery, and I find myself guilty of it from time to time, too.

    What this nerf has done though is totally ruin the point of soldier's mobility. I'll do some calculations for you:

    Soldier's wallclimb gets you up four blocks each time you use it. Over seven uses, this results in 28 blocks.
    Elf's wind element only gets you up by three blocks, but you have ten of the arrows. Therefore, 30 blocks.

    Now, one might argue that soldier's wall-climb pool regenerates more quickly than elf's arrows and is, apart from that, not dedicated to multiple other abilities. As the limits to both classes though are intended to limit abuse rather than use, elf is currently taking soldier's spot, don't you think?

    Another point of elf is it's not dependant on blocks to climb upon. With elf, you can start flying at the very top of a sponge and not only change your altitude, but also move on the X- and Z-axis.

    What also came along with the rework package is the pyro change to true damage dealing. As elf has more steak than soldier and true damage ruins the point of armor, also here elf is off better.

    It is, on the other hand, though, way more vulnerable to ninjas and other regular damage-dealers. Its sword does 0.5 more attack damage than the one of a soldier and its abilities offer a wide range of ways to help when capping, especially when you have a bit of time (for example on a sponge, using earth or water element).

    As of right now, I think we can drop soldier for elf. And I consider this a sad thing, looking at the proud history of it :/ Maybe we could encourage soldier capping again by giving it more immediate bonuses after stealing the flag rather than removing flag poison and promoting stalemates.

    Opinions? Give me all the onion salad
     
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  2. Xelia_

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    To be honest, I agree. I don't think the soldier nerf should be changed, but I was never a fan of the elf wind element. I would like to see cooldowns and changes on that, especially since if an elf has a medic running with them, they can continuously heal and stay in the air for as long as they want ^^
     
  3. Nakatago

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    Never thought of that, good point. Soldier nerf is worth reconsidering after that. Not add infinite wallclimb back as such, but I'm sure something can be done.
     
  4. Sir_Inge

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    Well, soldier has an iron sword and iron armor plus no fall damage. An elf dies kinda quickly to a ninja. A soldier doesn't.
     
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  5. Plautius

    Plautius Well-Known Member

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    The sword of an elf does, as I explained, more damage.
    Fall damage is easily cancelled out by elf through using one arrow with the wind element ability. If I were to use a tanky class, I wouldn't play soldier but rather medic or heavy at the moment.
     
  6. Sir_Inge

    Sir_Inge Well-Known Member

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    Yes, but they can't wallclimb. Soldier is a non-squishy climbing class. I fear any less restriction on soldier would bring back wallspam.
     
  7. obikenobi21

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    I think he's more pointing out how Elf's wind element is currently broken. I would think changing Elf rather than soldier is the better option.
     
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  8. Plautius

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    As I also pointed out, elf's wind element is just as good as soldier's wall climb ability, if not even more useful.
     
  9. Sir_Inge

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    And that's made up for by the armor. Soldier is just as good as any other class, and I think that's upsetting some people who are used to having their way with CTF and one-man capping with ease. Same for pyros who are used to one man defending.
     
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  10. Skarm

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    Wind element uses more arrows depending on how many you have used since you have last fallen.
    1 jump = 1 arrow used
    2 jump = 2 arrow
    3 jump = whatever idc balance!
     
  11. ContagiousBubble

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    A soldier can climb the ground.. Shouldn't that be changed? xD
    This gets annoying when a ninja tries to recover on a flag holding soldier.. Especially after how ninja's sword was changed to sharp 4
     
  12. NomNuggetNom

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    Wind element now takes two arrows. Let's see if that makes a big enough difference.
     
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  13. Sir_Inge

    Sir_Inge Well-Known Member

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    Hey it's the elf nerf we've all been waiting for!
     
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  14. EmperorTrump45

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    I see the point of a nerf to the wind element as it could make Soldier wallclimb obsolete. However, at the same time it makes the need for a Elf buff even more urgent because the armor is terrible (extremely skill/luck based), the damage output is highly unreliable, and the water element verges on useless. All problems with the class that I'm sure you are aware of.

    (my problem with this change is the timing of it)
     
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  15. MapleCakez

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    I would like to say that the elf slowly regenerates arrows much slower then the soldiers wall climb does and the elf only get 10 arrows so ever time he uses 1 for wind it takes it away and the elf doesn't go up 30 blocks it only goes up 15 you go up 0.5 blocks every time you go straight up with the wind so in theory the elf shouldn't get buffed and the elf sword is also a wooden sword so the iron one still doesn't do better damage but the soldier has better armour then the elf , the elf will die in 4 hits from a ninja sword and the soldier will die in 7 hits from a ninjas sword so in hindsight the elf's sword and soldiers armour match out then the sword and the bows match out. Also the wall climb sword and the elfs wind are not the same but the elfs wind bow is much less as good as the soldiers sword. I rest my case
     
  16. NomNuggetNom

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    Can't fix everything at once.
     
  17. Lujiu

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    Elf has already been a really hard class for players to get used to, nerfing it even more isn't the best way to go honestly...
    WHat if you make the water element and earth element insta cast and full charged aswell?
     
  18. Knaber

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    CTRL+Z.... NOW!!!!!
    that was NOT neccesary... btw, have you ever even played elf? it seems not since you just nerfed it.
    elf just went from skillcurve-insane to outright impossible.

    my hope in brawl is dying ;_;
    (as if it wasnt dead allready... WAR 2.0 #SOON)

    btw... WHY DID THEY REMOVE THE DISLIKE BUTTON!!?? D:
     
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  19. 1337Noooob

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    Elf had the Wind Element nerfed too actually. Costs 2 arrows to use it, so you can actually only use it 5 times.
     
  20. Knaber

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    ....... I see why your name is Nooooob ;D
     
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