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Discussion in 'Capture the Flag' started by TheMaelstromsEye, Jan 11, 2016.

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  1. TheMaelstromsEye

    TheMaelstromsEye Well-Known Member

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    So I'm GamingGamelon Aka Game(durrr)

    I havent been on ctf very long but I can already tell I enjoy the server and such, but that isnt the discussion for todays topic. I have done a lot of research into the game first hand on the forums before i joined the server. The nerfing/rework discussion has torn this community down the middle(like man of steel did) and I am going to give my own imput into this discussion.

    Now nerfs/buffs/reworks I quickly found out are attempts to balance the class to make it more "fun" and not as op. Now I figured out from other games is that people like op/broken classes because its fun to play them and fun to kill them. I also figured out the day i joined that people love abusing op classes to "frustrate" people, 2 days ago there was that engineer invasion in clockwork where engineer barricade was sending in "all the enemies". I feel like these people abuse classes to get them nerfed and/or to annoy the enemy team as much as possible. The only classes i think needs a rework are necro and engineer because necros useless, engineer is just frustrating. I see most classes should stay "op" and unbalanced because they are more fun that way. Now I did some more research into the other classes.

    Dwarf: I figured I started with dwarf because i believe most people hate it. Dwarf is a 99% defense class and rarely is ever seen away from flag room(coming out of spawn doesnt count). I believe most people hate it because once it gets to lvl 5 dwarf cant die by chemist or pyro. I also see a lot of people complaining when they are ninjas and are trying to do this ghost cap strategy(which almost takes them across the entire map with flag if done right) and are mad that the dwarf keeps killing them. I say that these ghost cappers or ninja cappers if they see a dwarf, go assassin maybe? I mean, assassin was made for these kind of things, if you wont go assassin, think of a better strategy because that dwarf will/should stay focused on flag. I believe dwarf is a perfect class for what it was meant for, which is hardcore defense.

    Ninja: Now this is very talked about class because it seems to get nerfed a crap ton. If ninja users abuse ninja, it fully deserves a nerf. Ninjas were made for legit capping/offense and ninja abusers used tactics like 414 and enderpearl spamming back in the old times i read. Now they abuse it again but with ghost capping as the main source. I think ninja is a fun class but when its abused frustrates everyone on the other team.

    Soldier: I fully think the nerf was necessary because I heard that soldiers used to be able to spam climb and outmaneuver most or all of the recovery, especially with medics. I think the nerf was called for because it still has soldier agile and able to climb and the climb cant be abused anymore. You just cannot panic and get away as easily.

    Archer: now this one has most of the community split down the middle. Yes it has a broken and op instakill. Yes it can be frustrating and anoying, but you should also be able to see archers most of the time before they kill you, but sometimes they hide. Now, you dont see archer capping that much do you? it honestly does what its meant to do, defense support/defense and offense/offense support. The only way archer can be abused is if they snipe at spawn. Its the most fun to play free class and maybe class in general.

    Chemist: a nerf was necessary,maybe not this major, but it had to be done. Chemist was a tank with huge health pool and the damage to demolish recovery as well. Team that with a medic and only pyros can kill it most of the time. Now chemists mana/whatever was nerfed where 2 damage pots make it so you cant heal. I feel this was overkill but it does make it more fair.

    Adding these now:

    Elf: This class is interesting, its archer but with mage specialties. I do think the elf arrow nerf for air was uncalled for mostly because its now like the soldier nerf, if they panic, they run out fast, plus elf is pretty easy to kill.

    Medic: The healer of ctf. It can be used very well with webs to block enemy escape, but also block team recovery, also op. I do think a nerf is necessary where it cant heal people with flag as fast as normal? Just an idea. Medic is a good class until someone abuses it with medic teaming or chemist teaming.

    Mage: Can I just say that this is the class that everyone loves being but everyone hates fighting against. It is extremely strong in range but easy to kill if on cooldown from healing pot. The healing pot is extremely op though.

    Engineer and necro: Honestly, both of these need a rework because engineer is just frustrating and necro is just, useless(everything i want to say about this has been said 100s of times on the forums and in game probably)

    Heavy: I honestly couldnt find much on this, maybe with medic teaming its op? Thats really all i can find on it.

    Pyro: Used to be op instakiller, now with its frenzy mode it can kill anything except dwarf fast.I do think the nerf is more of a buff, its just a disguised buff. Everyone hates mostly because its like dwarf, frustrating against ninjas, and normal people who dont change their strategy.

    Fashionista: Honestly, just a april fools joke that stayed. Thats all.

    And the one i forgot.

    Assassin: It pretty much does what it should do which is kill people. I have heard complaints on this class because of the 1 shot kill. I uh, dont wanna be rude, but what did you expect assassin to do? Assassins not getting redstone nerfed to where its not a 1 shot or else assassin wont be played, also, stop being a baby if it kills you, its just frustrating for everyone around you to listen to you complain about assassin doing what its suppose to do. Plus I like the blocking mechanism as well as the tiny unintended nerf of the white glass panes that give away if they used it. I honestly like assassin for what it is, its not anything more then an offense/defense/recovery class.(its not used for capping a lot so i dont count it as a capping class)
     
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  2. ASAP_Quan

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    ok.... its actually quite ok
     
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  3. jarboyp

    jarboyp Bunny Defender

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    I like your opinions, they seem well researched and non-biased.
     
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  4. TheMaelstromsEye

    TheMaelstromsEye Well-Known Member

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    Thanks. I have been wanting to share my own imput on the classes.
     
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  5. Plautius

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    I would ask you to play a game of CTF with me, I'll PM you on the forums.

    The problem with your research is it doesn't really give us the opinion of a new player but basically a more or less incomplete summary of the past year's forums discussion.
     
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  6. Arion_

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    Welcome to CTF gamelon, based on this thread you seem like a pretty smart and chill player. The community needs more new players like you :smile:
     
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  7. Xelia_

    Xelia_ (ノ^ヮ^)ノ *:・゚✧

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    Hey! Thanks for the useful opinions, it's rare to find opinions that aren't biased from personal wishes to change certain classes. ^^
     
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  8. TheMaelstromsEye

    TheMaelstromsEye Well-Known Member

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    Thanks everyone, honestly, it is from the new person who only begins playing the classes, you quickly see all the stuff i have mentioned. I am not here to argue over whos opinion is right in the matter, just here to give my new ctfer opinion over this stuff. Thanks Xelia, I try to be unbiased.


    Now, if you guys would like me to put the other classes, just ask ^.^
     
  9. Plautius

    Plautius Well-Known Member

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    maybe im just a retard but seriously can you people name me one new thing that's in here i haven't read already
     
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  10. jarboyp

    jarboyp Bunny Defender

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    His name never came up in previous discussions XD.
     
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  11. Deppuccino

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    I think I like this one (at least this one's better than that @LordChaos_92 nub xD xD xD jk ily plz dont hurt me) :^] .

    Welcome to CTF, the place where it's all argues, complaints about everything (even though the opposite was complained about 2 minutes earlier), rage, OP teams, OP players, Arrow Squad, reworks, nerfs, buffs, ****, more ****, and stuff. If you want a much more relaxed environment, the media section (which is somewhere. Yeah, definitely somewhere) is where you should be. Oh yeah, in the CTF section there's also me.

    I like how (freken finally) some1 has done a complete unbiased oppinion about the OP classes, and I agree 10/10 that nothing should change, and everyone who wants reworks can gtfo bcuz right after the rework, they'll complain about the rework.

    And yes, I basically just summed up (only half) the things that are wrong with CTF, just to, unlike everyone else who is telling you how great it is, show that CTF has (major) flaws in the community (*cough cough* They cant make their minds up about if they want a rework bcuz therer has been none in 6 months or dont want a rework cuz its gonna be bad *Cough cough*).
     
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  12. EmperorTrump45

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    Seriously? Personally, I struggle with depression every day of my life and it really does bother me when I see posts like this. I mean, it's really hard for me to take anything you say seriously when you make fun of people who would actually like to see decent change around here by saying they have bipolar disorder.

    My mom is a LPN, which is a licensed nursing practitioner and she has dealt with people who have bipolar disorder and it is really tragic. Look, I get that it was meant as a joke but there are much, much better ways to express your opinion than saying that anyone who argues over reworks has severe mood swings and uncontrollable emotions.

    Sorry, I guess that was a little dark. Have a nice day ^_^
     
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  13. TheMaelstromsEye

    TheMaelstromsEye Well-Known Member

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    Wheres that escalated quickly meme at, *calls @AdamLovesBarca * we got a great chance for a meme here.

    In all seriousness, Thanks everyone, ill put my opinion on the other classes later if you guys like.
     
  14. Plautius

    Plautius Well-Known Member

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    could you please explain to me how you get this abbreviation out of that term
     
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  15. BAWSS5

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    The problem you seem to be running into here is that most people's opinions of classes stem from actual issues.

    Even if she's just mimicing what the forums are saying, it's probably because those problems are pretty damn relevant.

    Wow that was really bipolar of you munson.

    Although I agree, making fun of mental health issues is retarted.

    (ok I'll stop being bad now)
     
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  16. Nalasleafheart

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    You literally got this spot on and I'm proud of you because you're a new player too. Dwarves are meant as hardcore defense (which is why I will dwarf if we have no defense and/or a difficult opposite team)and ghost capping is really something I look down on and personally dont call it a skill. To me- skills is to not teleport across the map the second you get the flag. Honestly these ninjas trying to ghost cap need to realize that you dont have to just ghost cap to cap, soldier, heavy, and medic are all classes that can cap as well. (And hey guess what they're free) A good counter to the dwarf too is a medic, if the dwarf isn't high enough level because they don't catch fire. (AND depending on who the dwarf is.) They also can easily web the dwarf so its really not too hard. You can soldier cap with a dwarf too depending on what map it is.
    For real tho, these kids who cry about ninja not being able to ghost cap or the fact they are getting nerfs really should calm down because ninja in general is a pretty OP class if you play it right.
     
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  17. TheMaelstromsEye

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    Agreed, I might be one of the only ninjas who hasnt ghost capped lol. Its more like its op for people who play it "wrong" as in ghost capping. I honestly love people that try to be as fair as possible even with op classes. Thanks for the kind words as well.

    New class opinions added, tell me if i forgot any
     
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    I don't see how you came to this conclusion, elaborate?
     
  19. TheMaelstromsEye

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    Well i mean, old pyro couldnt do good against medic, now this "nerf" makes it so in frenzy mode it can demolish all the classes except dwarf
     
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  20. TheZombieKat

    TheZombieKat CTFer since May 2012

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    I have to say that you've gotten pretty much everything spot on. The unbiased opinion on everything is pretty cool to see. Also, the new Pyro can demolish a Dwarf too, if you know what you're doing.

    By the way, welcome to hell... I mean the CTF section of the forums. Maybe I'll see you in game sometime.
     
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