Idea Engineer Rework! No Autofire??

Turret: Rather large change, I can't speak to how I feel it'd go in most situations. However, I will note that not having automatic fire means its Engi is heavily susceptible to Ninjas and I'm not sure how much the Structures would help that. Past that, are there limits on changing selections? Can I see enemies incoming, heal/speed up and go back to arrows before they even arrive? If so, that seems a tad too powerful. Past that, stationary buffs do seem like a useful aside, though their usefulness feels rather limited when any key area can't have at turret for them in the first place.

Speed Station: Actually a really neat idea. Might still work as a cake rather than an AoE (which would likely be a new mechanic if it was used) but it allows for increased strategy on where to go and helps alleviate the issue of teleporter spam. My only thought is if the Engi just kept it on hand and used it to run from any fights.

Regen Station: See above with the AoE being a new mechanic that's not currently in-game. Having a limited ability to regenerate items without a medic actually sounds like a good idea, though I'd prefer if it had healing still.

Structures: Those things are pretty huge. If we had the "You cannot place a structure here" protections like we currently do, it'd become pretty difficult to find a normal place to put one. That said, the ability to generate a location to avoid headshots and hinder enemies from reaching me is pretty alluring...

 

The large structure can be a good shelter against Archers if it's supposed to have a roof. That's a new support aspect and I like it. But there is a problem which is the pure size of the structures. 5x5x4 is pretty big, imagine either the many placing restrictions that had to be added or the number of places you could block this way.

 

5x5 TOO BIG

 

Wher da fir arros

 

IMO you should make it so you have to get 1 melee kill for 20 arrows for your turret, therefore taking the 'noobiness' away a tad.

 

Luv it. Just two things. As da other ppl above have said, 5x5 can be a little big. Maybe have a 3x3, then you could either have a 1-block hiding space or put one of your utilities in that space, and then while it's practically a solid giant block, you can seek cover on the outside of it, kind of like a small tree.

And other thing: how often do arrows or pots fire? sry if I read that but missed it

 

This rework is interesting because it's made out of the purest kind of hate.
Jokes aside. Let's get to it.

Turret: Pretty good honestly, except for the size of it. Replace it with a 1 block tall iron bar wall. And are the potions shot like normal pots or like arrows (Probably the last one)?
The hit detection and aim may give a negative outcome on this one though.

Speed Station: Nope. Just nope. I gotta say it's a really neat idea but think about a stalemate where the flag carrier and medics/support can just stay near spawn abusing this mechanic.
I agree with dkbaot's suggestion though.

Regen Station: Again, neat idea, but it doesn't kinda work out for offense. The teammates that want to get healed by the station might get knocked out by enemies (Preferably archers and other fast or tanky classes like Chemist/Heavy).
It kinda mimmicks the Teleporter mechanic in that you have to stand still and wait for results.

Structu- Nope.

I still like this idea don't worry.

 

Gotta agree, that could be abused loads.

 

Structure:



Turret: I love the concept. It's certainly an improvement on the auto firing nonsense we've got right now and would give the turret a whole range of purposes aside from just dealing damage +1

Speed Station: I like it but I think the speed duration should be shortened a bit and you should be able to place them closer (maybe 15 blocks) from spawn instead of 30. On smaller maps like Blackout they way you've currently got it setup is just not going to work that well. For instance, I see this making Mages even more of a mid-fielding nightmare than they currently are since the orientation of the speed stations is in that area. +0.5

Regen Station: It's not the most practical thing in the world but it would certainly be good to have for offense and defense since (in most games) half the medics derp around and don't heal people and sometimes you don't even have a medic! One thing I'm not a big fan of is how long the individual cool-down for regen lasts. This regen station is less effective than a medic heal (doesn't restore all items) so in my opinion it would only make sense if players could heal more often, such as every 10 seconds or something. Also, you didn't specify how fast the station regens your health. Is it Regen V (like a Mage/Medic heal) or lower than that? If it's the same then the cooldown should be around 10 seconds, but if its lower (Regen IV is actually a lot slower than Regen V), then the cooldown should also be lower. +0.5

Overall: This rework makes Engineer a little bit less like the Justin Bieber of CTF classes and a little more like Ellie Goulding, not particularly great but certainly workable. You can't go wrong with that in my book.

+1

 

Alright, so the turret can't help the user.
This could create an issue if two engis are teaming, but we'll see what further information shows.
The remaining questions about the turret are: Would it have the issue of applying Poison to everyone, and is there an ammo/fire rate limit?

Ninja, with some stronger armor/weapon and blockhitting doing double hits near a turret, probably not an issue, alright. Depends on how the answer to "ammo/fire limit" goes.

Speed station, the issue was less "too close to spawn", but being out anywhere and having a speed station in running distance from your turret so you touch and GTFO to not die. Not quite as much of an issue without autofire, but still seems really abusable to be annoying.

Structures, we'll see how those are then.

 

@BrandinoB ye I also have that question. I dun think engies should be able to team like that. Shouldn't be hard to code, same principle as how old pyro couldn't instakill other enemy pyros.
(I deleted the second half of dis post cuz you answered right before I was gonna post dis >.>)

 

raises hand

 

Pretty nice idea brand! You just forgot to tag @iMuffles again D=

 

As a lot of the others have said, 5x5 is a rather large area. I'm not going to say anything else about that. As for the turret, I think the fact you have to spam right click in order to fire arrows is nice. However, spamming damage potions as fast as you can right click... I dunno. (Not sure if anyone else mentioned that, I only skimmed through the responses)
Would you be able to place both the small structure and the large structure?
Going to school; I'll add some things on later.