Idea Frenzy Idea

I literally started playing pyro a week ago. With the frenzy, it is basically an insta kill and frenzy is extremely easy to use. Like gala said, it makes the bow and flint practically useless. However, my style of playing pyro is putting flint down when someone is about to walk on that spot (then deal with that).

 

When pyro has frenzy you basically get a free recover off the flagholder if they aren't medic.

 

Then again if they are medic they know what they are doing and the game will surely stalemate for 7 years.

 

I agree and disagree because not that many people go offense with pyro, cuz its too weak and they get killed often. Pyro needs to be fairly higher op for defense or else soldiers can easily get away, it is very difficult to flint and steel or even shoot a flying soldier. The frenzy ability is mainly for killing heavies or high armored guys, but if here is a buffed heavy and he airlocks you (keeps hitting you and you seem to be floating) then your dead, he simply 2 shots you (or so) and u die, the frenzy should scare off heavies when in use.
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Then again if your any class but archer, if your airlocked your ded.

 

The only thing I have to point out is that pyros that don't use their bows and flint and steel are probably the worst pyros in the game because their damage output would literally be nothing.

@CrystaliteRyuko That is totally, undeniably wrong. Most decent soldiers, heavies, etc. know how to stay aware of their surroundings and watch for pyros and assassins, therefore with good positioning you can pretty much get away, that just takes time to get better at though. I main pyro, and there are a lot of times whenever some classes get away from me in a frenzy, it's not just a "free instakill."

 

It basically is, I mean seriously you just have to send in like 2 in some positions with frenzy, no more need to use ur bow.

 

I agree with your first idea. Frenzy lighting people on fire removes the counterplay aspect of avoiding the fire imo. With the bow and flint and steel it is possible to avoid the aoe or patch of fire that is put down, however if you want to steal the flag and the pyro is flag camping it's not possible to avoid the frenzy aoe.

Another idea I had for pyro was that the stacks of frenzy (4 required to activate currently) slowly fell off when not in combat, for example, you lose 1 stack of it every 10 seconds you haven't hit someone. This prevents pyros in a stalemate from staying with their flag carrier to stack up frenzy, then running across the map, keeping frenzy fully stacked the entire time to jump in for an easy recov.

To make up for these nerfs, the flint spam cooldown could be reduced a bit as it would now be harder to set players on fire. This would also make it so it is not a direct nerf, but rather a change.

My reply to this is that I agree with it in terms of a normal game, but with an organized offense (especially one with buffs where the fire tick damage does nothing) it's simply more rewarding just to hit with your axe and activate frenzy the second someone gets within grabbing distance of the flag. There's practically no need to set them on fire if you have frenzy as it's incredibly easy to do and has little counterplay. Once you activate frenzy and still need to set people on fire, then you would use the flint and the bow, but before there's little to no benefit.

You can make it effectively an instakill by hitting them once before you activate it to get the player to ~7 hearts (which most players wouldn't steak or heal pot on) and then activating frenzy to finish them off in one hit. And even if they do steak when down 2-3 hearts to avoid dying instantly after the first hit, they waste effective health and are forced to use at least another steak or heal pot after, which for all capping classes except for medic is a huge handicap.

 

Well I guess you are talking about matches and stuff, and that's where I see using the bow and flint and steel and excruciatingly important. Why? Because you're not gonna have your frenzy up all the time. Frenzy is useful for "oh ****!" scenarios. It's a lot better for pyros to light things on fire and attack them before they use their frenzy. It's an entire strategic process itself, so I don't wanna get into it. And besides in matches when there are organized offenses there are organized defenses (most of the time) to deal with the entirety of their offense, therefore the pyro can be able to play accordingly.

 

Legitimately i have been saying this since frenzy was a thing :/. Glad people agree though, remove bow and flint if frenzy stays.

 

#2 helps counter medics