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[Idea] CTF League

Discussion in 'Capture the Flag' started by gamren, Jun 12, 2016.

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  1. gamren

    gamren Well-Known Member

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    So in the past, many people have pondered on the idea of a CTF league. With a CTF league, we would have a constant, friendly competitive feel, and skill caps would be changing constantly.

    Now, how would this league work?

    Well first of all, we would need all teams to participate in this. With all teams included, team activity would easily be at an all time high.

    There are about 20 teams in total, while some are a bit more active than others. Hopefully a league will push for less active teams to become more active with a growth in competitiveness. We would divide these 20 teams into 4 seeds. For now, we will use Challenger as the highest, Master as second, Diamond as third, and platinum as last.

    With 20 teams into 4 groups, there will be 5 in each seed, as so;

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    Feel free to enlarge the photo if needed.

    Now, in this example, we only have 3, due to the fact that I ran out of space. For now we will just go along with it.

    Lets say that Diamond is the highest on the "ladder", involving the groups in the league. This would be filled with some of the most elite teams, like DF, TT, etc. Teams would be fighting to get to the highest spot possible, as this would be a league.

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    Pretend that this marks the end of a season ^ (Note, I just put in random teams at the top of my head)

    As we can see, TFW is the lowest team in the Diamond Seed, while ADV is the highest in Plat. At the end of the season, the lowest and the highest of 2 relating seeds will fight to either be promoted or demoted to the next seed.

    So in other words, TFW and ADV will have a match to see if they either stay in their seed, or are moved. If ADV was to win the match against TFW, then ADV would move up to Diamond, with TFW being moved to Platinum. This would work the same way for the highs and lows of the rest of the seeds. Depending on how long a season length would be, the "promotional match" could be increased from the lowest/top, to the 2 lowest and the 2 highest, so that climbing wouldn't be too difficult for deserving teams.

    So, as somewhat stated earlier, the whole league is a ladder, waiting to be climbed. This would hopefully boost the competitive aspect of CTF.

    Now, how will matches work? Quite simple actually. There would be a week, or two, or three, or whatever deemed necessary, for a certain seeds matches. So lets say that 2 weeks are given to the Diamond division to have their matches. They would need to fight each team, twice. So basically, the more wins you have, the higher you will be in your division. Now, as this is quite a bit of matches, we could instead make it 2 matches of best of 3, into one match of best of 5 and base it off of games won. So points are gained off of winning matches. There are quite a few options, as these aren't the only one. Please feel free to give suggestions.

    For each match, both teams would meet up. There would be a certain number of map bans in which teams can ban their weak maps, a teams strong, etc. So basically people would ban airlock when facing BK.

    Here is a somewhat sloppy example;

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    (Note, EX = Example).

    So team 1 would ban a map, Team 2 would ban. Then, team 1 would pick a map to play, team 2 would pick a map, and then the teams would then find a map to agree upon.

    The ban limit can always be increased, since only 1 map allowed to ban per team seems quite low, unless we use the best of 5 method brought up earlier.

    Now, if this idea is used, how would we get teams into proper divisions/seeds for the first season? Even after it will take a few seasons to even out the teams into their proper skill groups?
    Bringing up this question, there are a few options, but each are not perfect and there will be flaws.
    One option may to form an active group of committee members, active match players, etc to form the brackets into what they believe to be fair and even. Another may be just to completely randomize it to make a season simply chaotic. Another may be to base it off of a recent tournament. Any of these ways work, but as stated earlier, have flaws, which will work themselves out eventually.

    The rules would be standard of course, and a set roster size would have to be played with by all teams for each seed to make it fair. If a team can not get enough members for a league match, then they must either reschedule, or forfeit that match. With this system in place, team leaders should hopefully push for active teams and members who can play.

    Now, I know a concern like this may pop up; Can we have matches during a season? The answer is yes, for multiple reasons. As I talked about earlier, a window of time will be given to a certain division to have matches. We could set aside certain days that league matches could be played on, allowing other matches. On top of that, you could always play when the scheduled matches are done.

    I've been thinking about this for about a month now, so this is what I have been able to come up with. I welcome criticism, tweaks, and such. Hopefully we can all stay on topic and if any arguements are to pop up, lets keep it to pms if necessary :smile:

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  2. Daveeeeeeeee

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    I really like this idea. It has been suggested many times but this is the most detailed explanation I have seen, I think that the first season teams in each league should be based on tourney success because thats the only way, newer teams start in the bottom div maybe.
     
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  3. Xelia_

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    Sounds like a permanently ongoing tourney? Looks interesting.
     
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  4. Proterozoic

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    looks cool to me
     
  5. BrandinoB

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    I vote permanently banning Pagodas :smile: Sounds like it'd be fun tho
     
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  6. mihyun

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    TTT in the diamond rank 4Head 4Head
     
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  8. ACE_BLUE2

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    Perhaps have an annual tourney as the "playoffs", just so teams can re-seed each "season"
     
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  9. Lewka

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    I'm surprised you didn't say Airlock, seems like people hate that map more :open_mouth:
     
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    I really like this but you forgot TB rep: @Galzac Also, what about new teams and disbanded teams? Will the new teams have a chance to get in the league since there will already be 20 teams?
     
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  12. pookeythekid

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    I'm sure seeds can probably be resized and/or newly created to account for newcomers.

    Also, I'd like to make it clear that Gam put TFW in the Diamond seed. c:

    Late edit:
    It took me like five minutes to think of this--a bit longer to write it out in detail--but I still think it's a pretty good idea.

    After a little more thinking instead of being distracted while I post things, I think there's still the same problem here as usual: a good number of teams are bordering inactivity and can't come up with the players to keep up in a league like this. The fact that it's a competitive league doesn't seem to be a very good solution to boost team activity--a good incentive, sure, but some teams are just unable to take the bait.

    Merging for the sake of the League doesn't seem like it'd work for the same reason that team merges in general have been known to fail: the teams we currently have were formed as they were because their players are friends and want to be together (usually). It's best off that the CTF League just leaves the regular teams alone, really.

    I know people have said this before, but as far as I've seen, they just left it at that: "No, let's not do the tourney league, it won't work with our teams." But I would say don't bother trying with our regular teams--form new ones! A few CTFers who either already are team leaders or want to try being one can set up their own CTFL (ctf league) Team threads and let other CTFers make a choice to apply to them or someone else, just like normal teams.

    Because this League is more official and competitive than regular teams, roster limits should be enforced: instead of gathering an elite band of utility players and pingers, teams must have x number of dedicated archers, y pyros, z ninjas, etc. (Specialty classes--all premiums, archer, and soldier--should have regulations; anyone with any roles can always be a medic medic or heavy as long as they follow the individual game rules.) It's a little like regular team matches, except it's for an entire season. Also, the team sizes should be very near the actual game sizes, so that each team has only a necessary number of subs for matches, allowing for a much wider team pool with our ever dwindling player pool. (Still, one does not simply leave CTF.)

    There should most likely be two, at most three different classes each player can play, just so adjustments can be made when different situations arise. Team members will be able to switch their dedicated roles only after a season ends, meaning one cannot play archer, heavy, and pyro for half of a season then swap pyro for ninja for the second half.*
    Perhaps this should even go as far as to deny switching classes during the course of an individual match (should be regulated by mods instead of plugins, unless Nom can code in a little something to allow respawning as the same class that you already are). This is open to debate, of course.
    I know what this looks like--it's just another version of Squads, in that it's another excuse to "officially" be on multiple teams (instead of merc-ing). Whatever it appears to be, I believe it's necessary to be able to form this kind of a League, with competitive and--more importantly--available and active teams and players. Tell me your thoughts.

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  13. iWatchPaintDry

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    This looks well thought out and planned. Ik many people have been wanting this and it sounds like a great idea to push for more competitive matches and active teams. If all the reps and mods could agree then this should work really well.
     
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    @gamren so when am i gonna get to play thresh
     
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  15. gamren

    gamren Well-Known Member

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    When I play adc

    Also, seems interesting @pookeythekid

    Still prefer my way though c:
     
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    sounds great i hope the mods and such do this thing (i read half of it and dozed off)
     
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  18. ACE_BLUE2

    ACE_BLUE2 Sup'

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    This is why we need clans back , perhaps have teams convert to clans and put all the active members or members who can play in an upcoming match onto a team that represents the clan in the league. Run on sentence, ik.

    Say you have clan A. This clan has 20 members, but only 15 active ones. Clan A makes Team A, only adds the active members to the team, and leaves all members (inactive or not) in the clan. (Sort of like how yum brands owns pizza hut. ) this keeps the total family aspect of teams, and adds a more competitive edge for those interested. Kind of a rough idea, but it could work.
     
  19. pookeythekid

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    Lol, pretty sure the sentence was grammatically not a run-on sentence, but yeah anyway the topic yeah.

    The thing about this is just what I said in my post: a number of teams don't have enough players who can reliably show up for a match. It seems to me that no matter how you slice it, you can't mix the CTF League with the family aspect of regular teams. Just leave the family feuds alone and then go and create a more official League for more serious and competitive teams, especially who can be available to play.
     
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    ACE_BLUE2 Sup'

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    Pooks League of Legends player confirmed

    Seriously though, I see what you're saying. New teams would have to be created to really make this work. (Or we could give squads a more purposeful use and make them league teams, but that might be too much of a hassel)
     
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