Soldier Counter?

Of what class especially counter class did you think? I actually would prefer another rework of soldier, becuase on some maps its really hard to defend against soldiers.

 

Archers can headshot soldiers, but you would need good aim to hit them when they are constantly going up and down in the air.

 

U cant anymore.. Because of the nerf...

 

What nerf?

 

The nerf that made soldiers have a limited amount of jumps before it recharged. Before it was unlimited amount of jumps, leading to camping and very obnoxious predicaments.

 

archers, medics to web them so that they cant wall clmib anymore, and assasins
;_:

 

Oh, I thought @Kriz was saying that soldiers can't be headshotted anymore, which would be a really dumb thing.

 

Just wait for archers instakill to be nerfed and ctf dying extremely quick.

 

That is never going to happen.

 

Chap did say all instakills will be removed, but lets face it, ctf will die before that happens, or shortly after it happens. Its adorable that the owner of the server wants all instakills removed when he doesnt or extremely rarely plays ctf. Talk about bias without knowing how necessary some instakills are.

 

When did @Chap say that? Instakills are necessary in order to easily kill classes that have high armor and healthpool.

 

Idk, no one told me where, but eh. Apparently instakills are too op and not fun, yea, for people that dont know how to avoid those classes all together. If archers instakill is ever nerfed, we all can safely say ctfs defensive capabilities will take a major hit, offense will almost be unstoppable, engineers would be more popular and bold, and just a ton of crap that archer is keeping from happening.

I made a quick and short idea in ctf server ideas. if ya wanna check.

 

I think @NomNuggetNom (or some other staff, I can't remember at this point) said that chap wants the instant kills gone

 

thanks

 

Obviously Archer? But if archer gets nerfed then rip soldier :c

 

If archer gets nerfed everything in ctf will change to the worst. One name that is globally hated(latios doesnt count), engineer is all you need to know.

 

Come on people, archer is the obvious counter to literally every class in the game, including itself. Elf is the only class with a reasonable counter to archer headshots, but you can always catch any player off guard when you're sniping from a distance. (@TheMaelstromsEye I don't want to be rude here, I just want to make one thing clear that you've argued in the past: not all archers have to miss once before hitting their target, in fact any good archer should strive to make one-arrow kills between 1/4 and 1/2 of the time.)

While a counter-class to soldier does seem like the only band-aid fix that would make any remote sense at all at this point, it would only add to the confusingly messy juggle of classes and counters and meta-game and whatnot. While assassin and archer remain instakill*, a new soldier counter would do the game no good. Once at least one, preferably both of them are reworked, then maybe we can consider a new class. (I wouldn't be surprised if elf's earth element is removed entirely, it's quite an abomination--and this is coming from an elf player.)

Spoiler: * @.TheMaelStromsEye

Assassin is a form of instakill that is often just as difficult to avoid as archer. While archer arrows can come out of absolutely nowhere, so, it often seems, can assassins. They'll hide somewhere that you're not looking, then strike from behind with speed and instant assassination. No matter how much you use f5, you will never be able to avoid a well-executed sneak attack, which makes for some pretty sucky gameplay.

 

I think he's more talking about once a soldier gets out. No class matches its mobility, and the only class that can uses health to do it. It can just climb a wall to avoid the recovery, it's a pain to recover off of.