My problem with current HG and soup PVP

No-soup.

Soup PVP was, in my opinion, the worst thing that ever happened to HG. It turned it into a slower paced version of KitPVP where anyone who knew how to soup really well almost always won. Frankly, what made HG fun to me, way back when I played it (years ago) was having to come up with creative means to survive and/or win. Over the past year or two since soup was added, the game-play has gotten more and more repetitive and thus quite a bit more stale because the no.1 thing one would need to win was soup.

 

I preferred soup up until minute things such as ping and click speed began factoring into PvP. I liked soup pvp back when it was scrollers, and hotkeying was considered a skill for elite players. Mistakes didn't matter as much, but it still provided a true challenge. Now, everyone on pvp servers talks nonstop about ping (hop on any kitpvp server), and clickspeed, and the person with the most soup pretty much always wins since there's a skillcap that's been reached for a year or two now.

The thing I don't like about nosoup servers is how screwed you are when it comes to sticky situations, such as a trap. Often, the first hit ends up winning in nosoup, and defending becomes a ton harder.

I definitely agree with your points about HG being repetitive, but unfortunately, we can't really bring back those times in 2012 when HG was at its prime.

 

Soup because I believe small mistakes don't have to be penalized with a game. Especially since HG games are so small nowadays, it wouldn't be worth it to play a nosoup game and die from stupidity and have to wait multiple minutes/hours for a new one

 

I prefer soup, but I don't mind no soup being there. I think no soup had potential to go very far, just needed very major changes.

 

Soup had been in the ga

Soup was always in the game, mcpvp created soup pvp and it was a large reason why it was successful, however you are right that it has become stale because it's pretty much the only factor in games. Around 4 years soup was used but to a lesser degree, kits and strategies were a bigger factor in games. When no-soup was added last year it didn't really have the same feel however

 

NoSoup would likely need a major revamp for it to work, and I don't really see it being as popular as Soup HG is currently. I do agree with the fact that kits have taken a 'backseat' to soup in terms of gameplay, but the only way to really fix that problem is to make kits more meaningful (powerful). I just don't think it's possible anymore.

 

Soup heals 3.5 hearts, I doubt changing it to 3 will revive hg

 

Changing it to 3 will first piss off the diehard McPvP vets, and all it'll do is speed up fights a pinch. In early HG, you'll notice a difference: people will die faster, refilling will have to be faster in order to not die while refilling, etc. But when it gets down to 2 full irons fighting each other, that half heart less isn't going to matter much. People will soup more often to compensate.

 

This

 

I hate soup. An I hate the priority soup has been given. When I first started playing HG I loved the kit diversity and trying to combo kits with friends to win. However almost immediately I noticed winning was impossible. Other players had spent years learning how to soup and no amount of planning would give any decent edge over these players.
So me and my friends resigned ourselfs to only playing 1 shot trap kits to try and kill the opponent without them souping. An with so little kits working for this style of play options were limited. We made a few creative traps and won a few games against soupers. However this was a boring and hard way to play the game. As enemy teams would only have 1 of their group trigger traps and the others would simply kill us. An a large number of enemies would not leave feast and seek out other players until pit or time ran out to avoid losing to a trap.
Eventually this problem of soup being so important to winning drove me and my friends away from the game. Until one day when looking back on the game a few months latter we saw they added no soup servers. We tired it out and found that we now had a ton of new play styles to go with with soup no longer being an issue. Traps no longer had to one shot. Surprise attacks now mattered and gave advantages. You could pick off teams by quickly taking out their members one by one. Kits actually mattered.
However then the big change happened and servers were no longer plentiful. Games became a every now and then thing once or twice a week. But now with no soup completely gone my friends can't even get the will to play the game anymore.

 

I'm sorry but you literally sound like your stupid. Soup was the worst thing? Soup WAS ORIGINAL!

 

So what if soup was the original one? People may not like it. You are the stupid one, not knowing the difference between preference and original

 

LOL MCPVP got big from SoupPvP not from Nosoup.
I would love NoSoup to be added back, its more fun to record

 

SoupPvP back in the day was pretty much no soup. Nobody knew how to soup, that's why new players stayed, coz they could actually kill people. Nowadays soup is impossible to win for a new player, that's why it's dying. IMO no soup needs to be added back to keep the new players

 

Tbh I kinda liked no soup, didn't you? Why the hell was it removed?

 

I didn't like it, didn't hate it. I played it when I was bored.

It was removed coz of budget cut + popular opinion. Due to the EULA, budget was cut. So they got rid of 2 hg servers, and having 2 of each is not fun. So, they took the results of an earlier vote, and completely removed no soup