The CTF Refereeing Rant.

@Doubtfully So here's what I'm getting for a tl;dr:
Referees in virtual or physical sports who give necessary punishments are inherently unlikable people, so their reputation on the CTF server doesn't really matter. Mods, on the other hand, have being liked on the line, so they do nothing but give sugar coated warnings.

Sounds about right to me. And yet so wrong.

As a person who knows how to respect the human beings who have been given authority based on a test of maturity and responsibility (and general ability when it comes to physical sports), I can very well say that referees are not unlikable people. They sometimes make bad calls, and you can get pretty mad at them depending on the significance of their calls - but no matter what, they are human beings, and as a moral human being I cannot bring myself to strongly dislike them, and there are in fact many, many others like me in this view.

As far as mods, I don't believe you're making much sense in your argument. Their very job in regular CTF games is to issue punishments, most of which are temporary bans. Unless viewed by one who takes matches far too seriously, these are usually more upsetting than a flag being forcefully reset as punishment for a rule that a player was consciously breaking. Point being, mods don't have a reputation to worry about in-game because their actions in matches have fewer consequences than in regular games, anyway.

In any case, why in the vastness of this amazing universe should mods care about who likes them or not while they are simply doing their jobs? Completely regardless of what they have done or not done, mods tend to have people who dislike them, whether reasonably or for no rational reason. Their reputation could not be less at stake unless they actually were self-conscious and codependent enough to give a darn about the salty things that players thought about them (and I'm sorry I insulted you if any of you mods really do think that way).

All that being said... I really do think that there should be a referee rank based on responsibility, maturity, and in-game availability. It could solve a lot of problems.

 

CTF_MATCH is a different server type

Edit: proof:

https://www.brawl.com/purchases/TheZombieKat/

 

I never said that everyone is getting the referee rank though. I stated that whoever is responsible and mature enough to have the referee rank is responsible enough so that they won't abuse it/use it on a regular server. This means that saying that we can't make the referee rank because it can't only be matcher server specific is not a good enough limitation. The referee rank can be there for all of the ctf servers, but whoever gets it knows that they should only use it when setting up/reffing matches on ctf match server.

 

It is possible to set a rank on only the match server

 

If it is or if it isn't doesn't matter, as I have explained.

 

Te server type = the maps + what the code does. There's no line in the code that says; this code creates a server of the type ctf....

I'll say what decelcieve said again:
The match servers and the normal ones run using the same everything (code, database, configs and so on). So everything that you change in the match server will also change in the normal ones. That's why there can't be a match server specific rank.

^^ nom could ofc adda ref rank. But it wouldn't be to easy because of the reasons stated above .

Ps.I am not 100% sure about everything stated above.

Why isnt haven't @wintergreen3 been promoted to ctf_match mod then?

https://www.brawl.com/purchases/wintergreen3


And i have a feeling that our mods knows better than you guys, who do not understand a **** about servers. So stop arguing against staff when you have ZERO information.

Ps. This is not directed only to you @Qurify

 

Because of the GLOBAL = all servers

 

He was promoted to CTF Jmod before that, so plz stop posting this useless posts. You shouldn't argue with facts. In this case, not what staff says is facts.

 

I don't understand your point. Also, she.

 

My point is that staff members have said that a match server specific rank can't be added. Telling them that they're wrong is stupid. They know more than you after all.https://www.brawl.com/purchases/TheZombieKat

So please, stop. Let's come up with another idea instead.

 

Why would mods know more than regular players? Mods get chosen for maturity, activity, but not knowledge.

 

so tell me how is it (or was) possible to buy a rank for only one specific server / game mode

Sure higher up staff members like admins know more than normal players but mods sometimes don't because it's simply not their job

 

Even if a specific ref rank isn't possible, I think there really should be something done about this. There simply aren't enough refs on at once to set up these matches. There have been times in the past when I've asked ref days in advance, and reminded them, and they still haven't shown up. This shortfall means that matches planned a week in advance still don't go ahead, or have to be postponed, and this isn't a rare thing. I get you guys aren't out deliberately to get us or to ignore us, but equally what's going on now is a shortfall of refs, which means officials are having to be postponed and cancelled. I get you guys can't be on all the time, which is why a solution NEEDS to be found to make sure enough refs are around for matches, and equally that they will do their job effectively (which I won't go into given it's been said numerous times in the past)

Server specific have been proved to be a possibility by people on this thread already, but if you don't want to do that, then another solution needs to be found, because the situation right now isn't really good enough

 

We havae tried to explain this above (@Decelvice and i) so i see no need to do this again. This clearly shows how little you know about bukkit/spigot.

*I am not saying that it would be impossible to make a match server specific rank. It would require atleast some coding though.

And as i said earlier, arguing about this will not help. You should just accept that we cant add a match server specific rank. Let's try to come up with different ideas instead.

 

I'm sure @Decelvice just didn't know that there was a difference between CTF and CTF_MATCH. He probably agrees with me now that he knows it.

This has nothing to do with spigot/bukkit but with brawl's server and rank system... Also if you think that i know little about that stuff you're wrong.

Go ahead.

 

It has been clearly stated that it is not possible to add a server specific rank. And wimtergreen didnt get the match server specific rank. The fact that staff have said that a match server specific rank wont get implemented should be enough = We should come up with new ideas / just stick with the current system.

I am sorry for the bukkit thing... but dut comment...

I am not too familiar with the match servers so i am not the person with the most/best ideas regarding the match server.

 

And it has clearly been stated otherwise. There is an obvious barrier between the main servers and the match.

For example, the match servers are usually used to test bugs, new things, etc.

Not sure if this applies due to being on mcpvp, but the old ninja was also used on the match server while the updated ninja was on the rest. There is a barrier between the two, and it is quite obvious they can be separated even further.

People can state that something can't be server specific but sometimes people don't know what they are talking about, make mistakes, or were not informed properly. Mods aren't holy beings who know 100% everything, they are human too and they make mistakes, aswell as any other person. We understand and respect that. Don't assume everything that a mod says is correct, example of Xelia earlier.

 

I am used to Lord_Roke... the only staff member who i've ever talked to... he's correct pretty much all the time.
#Rokism

 

Well in the 2016 3rd place Tourney match of Defy vs. ADV, @b0squet did an incredible job of noticing a fault and quickly acting upon it.

Spoiler: Here's what happened...

So in short, Defy already used their 1 chemist cap but when one of my flag-carrying teammates died, I instinctively picked up the flag and ran. My teammates immediately said, "Scape drop it!" I was a bit confused but I did after already running a few blocks. Some1 from my team then picked it up and ran the rest of the way to cap it. But it turns out, some1 from the other team would have instantly recovered the flag if I didn't pick it up. b0squet, with his good perspective angle, saw this and decided (at his own risk and the risk of the entire match) to take back our cap.

Even if a Mod is staring at the situation, it's hard to decide whether or not there was actually a fault and whether a penalty of whatever degree is needed. But Mods can't be too lenient, because setting a strict example is better than setting a loose one.

(I only read a bit of your post, so I may edit or add more, but I just wanted to put this out there xP)