New CTF tournament format

Warning, long read ahead. This is a somewhat complicated idea, and you will need to pay attention when reading it.

I haven't fully re read this post, and knowing me there may be mistakes, so please tell me in the comments if something doesn't add up/make sense. Criticism is welcomed, please feel free to make your own edits and give your input freely. Stay on topic aswell.
Also, keep in mind, for this format to occur, it would be the easiest to preform when the ref rank has been released and refs have been chosen/properly trained.

Thank you


In the past, we have had many competitive tournaments within the team system. Over time, these tournies have been better and better planned, with each gaining and changing rules a long the way. As we have seen, smaller, faster tournaments seem to have better result without tiring and boring the teams, just like the most recent tournament in which TT claimed first. The year before that, a big, double elimination was in place, with the final never occurring I believe. Many teams got tired of waiting and waiting, and it just bored everyone to death. Even the recent tourney took quite some time, and especially now we have more inactive teams and teams struggling to get a proper amount of members for matches. We may need to change the format to speed up the tournament, make better matches by funneling closely skilled teams against one another with smaller brackets, and allow teams more then one chance to prove themselves when just their first match is against a top 3 powerhouse in a single elimination tourney.

In this thread, we will be discussing and going over the idea of a new format.


A quick disclaimer before we get into it.
Now, to start, we need a team limit. The team limit in this format would be 15 teams, with there being 16 teams at the moment, with 1 highly inactive/low player count team (This is my opinion, I understand that others may disagree). The hope is that 15 teams would sign up for it, and looking at the certain teams that I am implying to, they would probably be interested in the tourney.It is alright if we do not reach 15 though. The tourney will have different phases, with one being a group stage, ultimately leading to the single elimination. The group stage would eliminate some teams, allowing for more close matches in the single elimination phase and not complete blow outs. Also, with less teams in the single elimination segment, it would hopefully go smoother and faster. It is alright if not all 15 slots are filled, as this system allows for unfilled spots as you will see in a moment.

Now, time to get into it. Please pay close attention. I will be showing the first stage of the proposed format (group stage). Up to 15 teams in total, in 3 groups (Each group has 5 teams).


W stands for WINS, and the letters A B and C represent each group. Teams will be distributed to each group by the committee,in which they will work to spread out the stronger teams in and spread them apart equally. With this, there wont be a "easy group" or a "hard" group. They will all be of equal difficulty in all hopefulness. It won't be perfect, but it will be spread to the best of their ability or whoever is put in charge.

Each team will fight every team in their group, for a total of 4 matches occurring in every group. Each group will have their matches dedicated to a week, which I believe that 4 matches can easily occur during the teams in this time period. If a team cannot make a match during the group stages, they forfeit that win. To make it easier for teams, they will all be 7v7-8v8 and up roster size, with MMR. The group stage is here to allow a team multiple chances to prove themselves without instantly being knocked out, and to eventually funnel in the higher up teams against one another. If the servers are down/an acceptable reason is given, then the specific groups matches may be rescheduled to a different week.

Simulation of a completed group stage can be seen below-(Keep in mind these teams and order are just off of the top of my head, please do not be offended if you think your team should be in a specific place on this example or something related, it is just a simulated example).



Now, lets look at Group C. TT is number 1 in that group, which means that they won the most matches in that group. Games will not be allowed to tie.Now, I haven't double checked over this since it isn't too much of a problem, but if teams have equal wins and are tied for a certain place, then a tiebreaker game will occur. Only teams in the positions of 1-3 will be required to do these tie breakers, as teams in 1-2 are guaranteed spots in the next phase, with the 3 position allowing a great chance to move on (will explain in detail shortly). I will say this again, teams 1-2 are guaranteed spots in the next phase, while teams in the 3rd position are not out yet and will have a opportunity to move on. So, using the simulated example, DF, SN, Genetic, TT, RR, and MI are confirmed to move to the next stage (Single elimination).


As seen from this example, we have open places still in the next phase. 2 open slots, to be exact. Well, the number 3 teams in each group will move onto a quick, short invitational. The two top teams in this mini group will fill up the next stage. For example, going from the group stage scores I made up from earlier, Defy, Mock, and ADV were all 3rd seed teams. They will then all face one another, with the top two teams of this invitational moving on, and the third being eliminated from the tourney.

So if Defy came in first, with ADV in second in this invitational, then the single elimination phase would look as so (Yet again, these team wins and stats are randomly thought of in my head, do not be offended).





Single elimination with funneled teams ^

From here, the rest of the tournament will hopefully be closer matches and go by the same rules as gone by the last tourney, except with less teams. Closer matches mean that we stay on our heals throughout the tournament and keep up a competitive edge.

Yes, this system is a bit more complex at the beginning, but it is to funnel in closer matches and allow teams more chances in the tournament then they would be allowed to in a simple single elimination.


Thank you for reading, I ask that you please stay on topic, and I welcome all add ons, ideas, etc. If there is something you do not understand/something doesn't add up, please ask me.

Tags: @wintergreen3 @Nohox @Quarrelt @TheZombieKat @kevshadowslayer @scapezar (Feel free to tag other mods/related people).

 

Yeah it could possibly occur, but *hopefully* and it wouldn't. If it did occur then they could always just base it off of which teams got more caps/handpick the teams which *notably* look stronger in the invitational. Anyways the chances of that occurring are a bit low, but it would be interesting ngl xD

 

Actually @aRandomBob157 used some of my ideas that I pmd him the last for the last tourney, will show quotes when I get home

 

[10/4/2015 1:12:17 PM] [BK] Gam: The next tourney should be like this: THe roster size doesn't change the whole time, so 10v10 is stuck in or whatever for ALL teams. This makes the tourney more fair. Also, you know how the tourney has like the week 1 or the first section? You should do the randomizer, get the 3 maps, and those 3 maps only work for that first section. Once the second is reaches, then another rtd decides that section. Basically, all teams are doing the same maps with the same roster size and rules, making it more fair/balanced and equal
[10/4/2015 1:13:21 PM] [BK] Gam: So lets say week 1 role is starlight, lowrise, and airlock (Obviously it wouldn't). All teams would have to fight the team next to them on those maps, with the same roster size as others. So basically, every team is doing the same map..
[10/4/2015 1:13:36 PM] [BK] Gam: Then there would be another role for week2, week3, etc
[10/4/2015 1:18:19 PM] aRandomBob157 | Adobo!: That's actually a good idea
[10/4/2015 1:18:34 PM] aRandomBob157 | Adobo!: Yeah, that's really good
[10/4/2015 1:18:44 PM] aRandomBob157 | Adobo!: I'll definitely keep that thought in mind (y)

He still needed to go over these ideas with the committee pretty sure, and he was indeed mod at the time. Eventually even the ref rank was finally listened to as we can see. Contrary to popular belief, the committee does indeed listen to ideas, but having certain ideas coded in must be a huge problem. This doesn't involve coding and is much easier to setup. Anyways this would help the committee to consider this format. I can also assure you that @Quarrelt reads the idea threads.

 

Ye. Oh and also to @AdamLovesBarca

Yeah the matches should definitely be prioritized, or maybe even make it that no other teams can have matches during either the active tourney periods, or on used weekends. Obviously unofs and regular day matches should be left alone as it would be odd for the matches to occur then on weekdays/

Since it only takes a month to do the group stage ( three weeks to do group stage , and one week for the invitational), then the one month should be devoted to the group stage, with a month of grace the next month allowing practice for the tourney since you know what your team may be up against/go over what went wrong in the tourney and what could have been improved, regular matches, and overall just the regular flow of things. After this month of grace, then the Elimination segment would be put into full force, with hopefully each segment of the elimination (ie quarter finals) taking a week or two to occur. With this in mind, the actual tourney itself would only take 2-3 months, and possibly 4 given a "practice month" is given.

Anyways thank you for the feedback, it really helps and I agree with you that the tourney matches should be prioritized/other team activities could possibly be halted or atleast toned down during this.

 

In the case of teams tying by wins (example of maybe a team winning 2 games and another winning 2 to tie for third), these teams would do a tie breaker match, with the winner gaining the third place spot. I might need to edit my post a little bit, but the tie for third and second place in a group stage is what matters, due to the invitational group. Will just repeat to clarify, instead of going by caps, a tie breaker match will occur to determine who gains what spot in the group stage.