Admiral's CTF Wish List: 70+ Tweaks & Other Changes

Dear staff,

I have way too much time on my hands so I decided to make a great big list of all the stuff I want for Christmas. Or whenever the next update happens. Minor changes only, no reworks. Credits to @Daniellll and @Cherryfilled for some of the ideas and to others whose ideas I ripped off of CTF 2.0 (you can view that thread here if you want). If one of your ideas appeared in here and I did not credit you yell at me and I'll add a tag.

Medic:

1. Teammates should not be able to instantly break medic webs (this creates so many problems with people accidentally doing it in team-fights, thereby causing webs to disappear a second or two after they're placed).
2. Medic webs should work the same as grass (code-able?) for allies (meaning allies aren't affected by webs. Not slowed or anything, just like how players are not slowed by grass).
3. Add a feature so that hitting an ally with a snowball will give them Resistance I and Regeneration I for the duration that the web is in place. Hitting an enemy with a snowball will give them Weakness I and Slowness I for the duration that the web is in place.
4. Restore Medic's sword to Sharpness I.
5. Scale Medic's regeneration (from its heal) to the health of its allies. For instance, if an ally has 5 hearts or less they receive Regeneration V, 10 to 15 hearts Regeneration III, and above that Regeneration II.
6. Eliminate Medic's natural regeneration.
7. Reduce Medic's number of steaks from 6 to 5.
8. Extend the duration of Medic's heal from 5 seconds to 6.
9. Hitting an ally (healing them) a second time should restore all their items (steak, redstone, and so forth). Currently this is not the case as an ally has to be full health for them to get any missing items back and its a nuisance to deal with.
10. Extend cool-down between heals from 15 seconds to 16.

Mage:

1. Reduce Mage heal spell regeneration to Regeneration IV (it is currently at Regeneration V).
2. Increase flame spell duration to 3 seconds (the current duration is 2.5 seconds).
3. Tweak heal spell to deal Poison II to enemies instead of Regeneration IV (would like to hear what more people think of this idea, specifically in the context of these tweaks).
4. Eliminate knockback from the damage spell.
5. Slightly reduce knockback from the lighting spell.
6. Add a feature that makes it to where enemies frozen by the freeze spell take 1.5 seconds of Slowness II upon being unfrozen.
7. Increase the duration of the freeze spell by 1 second.

Ninja:

1. Increase Ninja sword sharpness to Sharpness V.
2. Give Ninjas a 15% damage boost when attacking enemies that are either blinded or nauseated.
3. Buff the duration of effects from the flash bomb by 0.5 seconds.
4. Redstone should deplete 50% faster than normal within 3 blocks of the enemy flag (this is meant to help prevent ghost capping).

Assassin:

1. Scale Assassin's speed to how long it has been running. For the first 0-1.5 seconds it gets speed I, for the next 1.5-3 Speed II, and the final 3-5 Speed III. This could give people more opportunity to block in time (reducing frequency of ping based deaths).
2. Increase the Assassination window to 2.5 seconds (keep window of time of instant death at 4 seconds).
3. Replace Golden boots with Iron boots (+0.5 armour).

Necro:

1. Replace wooden fence on Necro spawner with nether brick fence.
2. Temporarily give greater buffs (strength, speed, resistance, and regeneration) to Necro's zombies (and other minions) until a rework can be completed and implemented.
3. Remove Spiders as Necro's tier 3 mob and replace them with Blazes.
4. Allow Necro to see the health bar of its mobs (just as Medic can see the health of its team-mates).
5. Reduce some of the Necro spawner restrictions on certain maps.
6. Add a fourth tier mob (could be a zombie pigman for instance).
7. Add Sharpness I to Necro's pickax. Credits to @Nohox for the idea.
8. Add a feature so if Necro hits an enemy with its zombie egg (or any other mob egg) it marks them, and all its mobs will attack that enemy. Necro can mark up to 3 enemies at any time.

Engineer:

1. Fix the Engineer spots as mentioned in @AdamLovesBarca's thread (and some that weren't mentioned, such as the Engineer spots in the flag-room on Beaver Creek).
2. Buff turret shots to deal an additional 1 full heart of damage to Necro minions.

Heavy:

1. Heavies should take 25% reduced knockback from any tools and weapons with knockback enchantments (i.e. Necro and Engineer pickaxes).
2. Heavies should take 20% reduced damage from Mage knockback (lightning) spell.
3. Heavies regenerate 1 steak every 6 kills (stacking to no more than the current no. of steaks, 3).
4. Fix crits that allow Heavy to deal 6 full hearts of damage in one hit (and so forth).
5. Buffs for Heavies should only last 2/3rds as long as they do for other classes (in other words, Strength & Speed potions would only last 2:00 instead of 3:00 for Heavy).

Elf:

1. Add Regeneration I for 3 seconds upon being splashed by the water element.
2. The range of the water element should be greatly increased.
3. Make it to where the water element gives Resistance at any charge.
4. Set the duration of Resistance from water element at 6 seconds.
5. Increase the true damage dealt from landing a second straight shot with the pure element from 6 to 8 hearts.
6. Hitting an enemy with a fully charged shot from the Pure Element returns the arrow (credits to @oStaiko for this idea).
7. Increase knockback from the wind element, but only slightly (another 2-3 blocks or so).
8. Set all Elf armour to protection II.
9. Increase the number of Elf steaks from 5 to 6.
10. Hitting an enemy with a fully charged water element will give them 2 seconds of Slowness I and Weakness I while causing them to drip water particles (credits to @GalaThundR).

Dwarf:

1. Dwarf should take 33% increased damage from Ninjas.
2. Revert it to where Dwarf receives resistance to fire and damage/poison potions at level 5, instead of level 10.
3. Dwarf should gain knockback every 4 levels instead of every 3 (this limits Dwarf's knockback at knockback II instead of knockback III).

Soldier:

1. Soldier crits should deal slightly more damage (10-25% more) than regular crits.
2. Add a feature that causes XP to regenerate 3/5 the normal rate (15 seconds) if the Soldier has used all their XP. This would force Soldiers to be more frugal with their wall-climb, thereby actually nerfing it (which the current XP bar does not do).
3. Soldier should take 50% reduced damage from flag poison.

Pyro:

1. Add some minor resistances to Pyro's armour, such as Protection I on its Chest plate and Leggings (so it does not die as quickly to Ninjas et al).
2. ONE CLICK FRENZY
3. Pyro can still light its teammates on fire, both in spawn and elsewhere. Please fix this.
4. Pyro should be completely resistant to fire (@Cherryfilled, @Xelia_).

Chemist:

1. Chemists should not be able to accidentally poison allies, please fix this.
2. Same as above but for Slowness potions.
3. Increase the duration of Fire Aspect splash potion from 30 to 45 seconds.

Archer:

1. Eliminate knockback completely from Archer's bow. (credits to @LordCh4os for originally suggesting this idea).
2. Arrows should deal normal damage to Chemists (unless this is already fixed #2lazytocheck).
3. Upon being hit by an Archer arrow from under 25 blocks enemies cannot be healed for the next 3 seconds (credits to @Miskey for the idea).

Other:

1. Remove Ship Battle map (not a class rework but please, just do it).
2. Remove Beaver Creek map (see above).
3. Destroying an Engineer turret should give a bonus of 5 credits (often times getting rid of a turret is harder than getting a kill so why not?)
4. Add class guides.
5. Tweak the compass so that it tells you how far away (in blocks) the allied or enemy flag carriers are (like the Spy kit from HG)*

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*if you were wondering the total number of tweaks and suggested changes in this thread was originally 71. I've since removed 3 tweaks and added 1, bringing the current total to 69.

 

True. Good point.

Thanks for the feedback.

@Nucleon_ I added that in there with the consideration that Necro mobs would be much stronger than they currently are and that Necro can send its mobs after certain players (i.e. Engineers) thereby giving cover for it to destroy turrets with its pickax.

 

True. But Medic is not supposed to be a tank with an ridiculously large health pool that's also the second best capturing class in the game (in addition to being a very good support class).

Speaking of support classes, who says they're not allowed to buff or debuff enemies? Chemist does just that and a lot of people DO consider it to be a support class. Why shouldn't Medic be allowed to do the same (although in a different way)? I don't want Medic to be a flag capturing tank. I want it to be a short and midranged support class, with a modest healthpool and decent damage output. What's wrong with that?

A Sharpness I golden sword deals 2.5 hearts of damage. That is equivalent to the damage dealt by a stone sword. Can you tell me how that turns Medic into a damage dealing powerhouse?

What. Why on earth would you buff medic's natural regeneration, which is the no.1 thing that makes it so good for capping, and remove steaks? All that does is make it more of a tank than it already is, although arguably not as good in melee PvP depending on how much natural regeneration would be buffed, and encourages Medic capping.

When you factor in all the changes, not just to mage but to Heavy (i.e. reducing knockback and damage taken from Mage), this amounts to a nerf on Mage (also, Regeneration IV has a MUCH slower regeneration rate than Regeneration V). What I was trying to do here was make Mage less powerful mid or long range and less of a tank (we all know how ridiculously fast Regeneration V heals). You do make a good point though and I hear you.

The problem is that you get attacked so quickly there's no time to react let alone block. Scaling back the speed indirectly addresses the problem without doing a rework to remove its instant kill and replace that with something along the lines of @obikenobi21's Assassin rework.

I added 0.5 more armor to Assassin. 0.5. I would not say that 'ruins' the high risk high reward aspect of Assassin (which is also one of the biggest issues with the class, you either kill 3 people or no one at all, but that's another discussion and can only be adequately outside of a few tweaks) one bit. Adding that 'vampiric' feature for regenerating health after getting an Assassinate (I think that feature was added after the class was?) didn't ruin Assassin's risk-reward so it's beyond bogus to suggest that giving it a tiny bit more armor would either.

In my opinion, it's really not.

Skill is only an important factor where the Ninja is concerned. Why? You know why. So you don't die in one hit. I play a lot of Dwarf and all I have to do most of the time is just sit in the flagroom, steak when necessary, and land one or two hits on the Ninja and they're dead. Thanks to Ninja not having Sharpness V or damage output anywhere close to Dwarf's for that matter, the matchup is crazy unbalanced and stupid. Throw an allied medic into the mix and the matchup becomes even more ridiculous. There's a reason why most Dwarves are taken out by Assassins and not Ninjas these days.

Fine but I'm talking about adding Protection I on its Chestplate and maybe the Leggings (admittedly, I didn't make that very clear in my post. It is now). That does not ruin the whole 'high risk, high reward' thing, which I agree is an essential part of Pyro gameplay, because it's an additional +1 armor (or something). What I'm suggesting just makes it so that sometimes Pyro won't die as quickly to everything, which I think is fine (especially with the buffs I've proposed for other classes, such as Ninja).

I think you misunderstand my suggestion. I'm saying that Chemist should not be able to accidentally poison or slow its own teammates. That 'feature' is not needed in checking for Ninja's because as you know, you can see allied Ninjas even if they've gone invisible. Bottom line, there's no reason why Chemists should be accidentally poisoning their teammates just like how there's no reason why Pyro's should be able to light their teammates on fire (other than trolling).

I appreciate the effort you put in your critiques, although I strongly disagree with much of what you said. Thank you.

@GreenNature I get what you're saying and like I said above, I'd love to see Assassin reworked so the whole stupid 'extreme risk - great reward' thing gets removed so it doesn't get automatically destroyed by skilled Chemists and so forth. Thanks for the feedback.

I'm sorry Congruence, but that's nonsense. What do you think Medic does when it heals people? It gives them 5 seconds of Regeneration V. If that's not a buff then I don't know what is.

The sharpness I had literally nothing to do with any of that. Medic's viability as a capping class has everything to do with its fantastic crowd control (via the webs) and it's massive healthpool (6 steaks plus natural regeneration).

So support classes shouldn't have decent offensive output? Taric is calling. He wants his rework back.

No it's not. The whole reason why the 15 second heal delay is there is to make Medic teaming way less powerful. Being able to restore items say 2 or 3 seconds quicker (Regeneration V heals very fast) is not going to cause the sky to fall nor is it going to popularize Medic teaming.

MAGE is fine as it is? We have a strong disagreement there.

See my response to Mike here.

Then you completely misunderstand the point of these Necro buffs. Am I suggesting making the class relevant again? Of course. But not incredibly strong where you have zombies with Strength III, Speed III, and Resistance III (or Regeneration III) etc. Plus the other changes I've suggested, many of which are buffs, to other classes are meant to offset some of the Necro buffs suggested here.

Agreed that Necro does need an entire rework, and if you've read my three separate rants on that in addition to the three or four reworks I've suggested, you'd know I'm the last person who needs to be reminded of that fact. The reason why I'm offering a 'few simple buffs' here is because staff are only doing CTF tweaks right now, not reworks (as according to @wintergreen3). Believe me, I'd love to go crazy with a Necro rework on this thread, but that's not what it is about.

Maybe you're right. A lot of the changes I made to Heavy were because 1. buffed Heavies ARE extremely strong (as a Heavy main I know this, as do you), 2. because I suggested buffs to a whole bunch of other classes, and 3. to counter Mage's extremely good crowd control (a skilled Mage can counter a buffed Heavy, partially by spamming lighting and fire spells, depleting its low health pool and killing it).

I'm not talking about making classes balanced here Congruence. I'm talking about making them fun, and right now Elf is not fun except for a few people who have taken the time to practice it to such a great extent that they can actually do stuff with it (@Forums). That's the whole problem with the class, it's too hard to use effectively for most people. You think that's a great product to market? "Hey everyone play Elf! It's a lot like Mage except the abilities are weaker, the armor is the same, the healthpool is much lower, and the abilities take longer to use" yeah that sounds like great times right there.

Will respond more indepth on this point later.

No, it's not.

The point of the increased damage is so that Assassin isn't the only class that can somewhat reliably take out high level Dwarves. You're right on the other two points.

The reason is to offset its lower mobility (mobility being it's only ability) and increased damage from other classes.

No the current XP bar did not nerf Soldier that much.

Because in my opinion, soldier should be the best capping class (which is what it was designed to be from day 1 by McPVP). That currently is not the case.

Fair point. I suggested reducing the headshot range to partially make up for the removal of Archer's punch (which makes it quite a bit weaker in short range, not to mention the Ninja buffs I suggested in this thread). This idea has been removed.

Did you not see @Xelasi's forum poll on this? Ship battle was at the bottom with around 60% of voters disliking it.

Agreed and great points. This has been changed.

Agreed and I think this idea would be a lot better if the Resistance effect stays at Resistance I like you said.

 

All good. I spent 2 hours responding to you and @Congruence so I appreciate the effort.

Gotcha.

It's not useless if it makes the difference between life and death. As for running scaling being dumb, I'd love to hear why you think that. Personally I think Assassin's entire class design is very dumb but hey that's just me.

That's fine. I wasn't as specific as I should've been in some of the suggestions.

Have a nice night.

@Congruence I didn't know you knew what the whole idea of medic was. And again, why should Medic be unable to give other buffs aside from regeneration? I'm not suggesting Medic give other players strength or speed here, just a little resistance or weakness. Why do you have an issue with that?

Like, the ENTIRE POINT, of support classes is to give buffs be it regeneration, resistance, strength, weakness, speed, or hell d*ck enlargement cream I don't care it's support. Yet you and Mike, for reasons that I will not understand are telling me that Medic is "meant to only heal" allies. Because what? Because Medic's picture in the old McPVP banner had Red Cross logos dashed all over it? That logic is beyond me.

Yes I do suggest buffs for Necro at the moment because the class is crap and the staff aren't willing to do anything more than tweak things at the moment. Making Necro somewhat good wouldn't hurt a thing. And yes, it is a band aid fix until a full rework can be done.

Just because you're skilled at CTF or play a lot of buffed Heavy, or because you have a 1.44 KDR with Mage, does not mean that it is remotely "fine" as a class.

I've played a decent amount of Mage and that class has problems. You think I want to change it because I dislike it? Yeah, you know why I dislike it? Because its a midranged crowd control god that can single handedly fight off five or six people at a time because it has infinite health regen, at a low cooldown, and at a insanely fast regen rate. It's only somewhat reliable counters are instant kill classes (Archer, Assassin), Chemists (to an extent) or other Mages. I see that is a problem, when the only effective counters are other really strong classes or classes that can one shot it because you know, that might just mean that the class is a little too good (and that other classes such as Necro are too terrible) when its only counters are premiums with high mobility and dps or instant kill classes. That is why I don't like it and wish to change it. I don't care if you've "never had a problem with a mage". That's completely irrelevant from the flaws in the class itself.

Your comment on Soldier is sarcastic and stupid. And yes, I am one of those strange people that is of the opinion that a class that revolves around mobility should probably be better equipped for capping than other classes (since mobility there is key).

You make a good point about Ship Battle and Beaver Creek, but at the very least their removal should get some serious consideration (im0).

Again you being able to "2 shot a Dwarf" as Ninja does not mean the Ninja v. Dwarf matchup is remotely fair. Unless you can explain how a armored tank in a flagroom, who can reduce all damage to 0.5 hearts by blocking, who usually has a medic or other team members with them, and who has a Sharpness X, Fire Aspect II, and Knockback III diamond sword is going to lose more often than not to a Ninja, then I'm just going to assume that you don't have an argument to begin with.

Dwarves are usually found in flagrooms. Flagrooms are typically not headshottable and are generally bad places for glass cannons like Mage and low armor, ranged classes like Elf (cause they're often cramped) so you don't usually see either class in there that often (although you're right that Archer, Elf, and Mage counter Dwarf so hard outside the flagroom or outside other enclosed spaces) and Chemist is rotten for taking out any Dwarf whose not stupid enough to go into the flagroom at below lvl 10 or without a medic. Point is, whenever a Dwarf needs to be taken out, 9/10 times its an Assassin because its a roving, fast moving, stealthy instant kill. Often times there's not enough time to block or the Dwarf never sees the Assassin coming (especially when there's a ton of entrances to the flagroom).

I don't care if you're the only one who thinks the wall climb 'nerf' was an effective nerf or not. Soldiers can still float out of flagrooms like a genie out of a bottle. That's what I have an issue with and that's why I want to see the nerf double downed on a little.

You're right about balancing and I agree. I just completely disagree with your way of dealing with it.

No, restoring on a second hit does not hurt recovery a lot because it just means items would be restored two seconds quicker than current (after the 15 second heal cooldown is up). It could make recovery slightly more difficult though.

I hear you on buffed soldier.

I added Sharpness I (a minor offensive buff in any context) so that Medic could hold its own more with other classes. So yeah, you got me there! But why? So that Medic, as a support class (I love how you keep reminding me that it's a support class btw. Yeah, like it's totally a capturing class right??? Poor Admiral, he just can't keep his facts straight!) can survive more easily in the flagroom (especially with a heavily nerfed health pool as I've suggested here) so that it can keep healing its teammates and keep functioning as a support class without serving as THE defense. Your bit about its "ridiculous" damage with Sharpness I is really the epitome of hyperbole.

 

Mike I just wanted to personally thank you for not being an idiot. That said,

I get your point and I'm really not. I want Medic to focus far more on support (via. certain buffs, but not strength or speed) instead of both on support and on capturing or just being an all around tank (which I think you would agree, is kinda what Medic currently is). Maybe it seems misfitting but a lot of things that significantly change the gameplay of anything do until they've been messed with (on a test server or in game) for a while.

Okay.

Thanks for clarifying, and while I'm not a fan of boosting Medic's natural regeneration I see where you're coming from here.

Agreed and you're exactly right. The tweak isn't that good because it doesn't really solve the problem, and I think that's one of the limitations of just tweaking things for certain issues. It limits what you can do to deal with a screwed up meta. That said, I don't really know what a direct fix for the suddenness/randomness Assassin's one shots would be but I would imagine it would be something along the line of a rework by @mh__ (which you can find in the ideas section if you haven't already, it's really good).

That's fine.

Nope. I apologize for not being more clear on that.

Thanks again.

 

@Congruence whatever you say. You've made your point that you don't like most of the ideas here and that's fine. But I've spent a ton of time responding to you and basically all you've done is said "this sucks, and this sucks, and this too" for a whole bunch of reasons (some valid, others like "well I've killed Dwarves as Ninja" not so valid). You're right, maybe some of the ideas on this thread do suck. But your opinion is not THE opinion of what is the right way to go about things and neither is mine. None of these ideas are bad because you think they're bad or pointless because you think they're pointless. That's not what I posted this thread for and so I'm not inclined to argue with you about whatever any further outside of a PM.

That said, thanks for pointing out the glaring issue with the idea of lowering Archer's headshot range. I agree it was a terrible idea and that's why I removed it from the list.

No I got the idea from HG's Vampire kit, which (I don't know if it still does this) used to deal damage to enemies with splash potions of healing. A poison effect seemed to make more sense because Mage heal works with splash regeneration not instant health. Glad you liked the idea.