Archer's Instakill

No one is going to spam shoot (random long range shots) if they can't get a decent number of kills out of it. Right now people can do that because of Archer's instant kill. Remove it (along with the obnoxious punch I) and replace it with true damage + bleed (the main component of the Archer rework me and @LordCh4os came up with) and that takes away some of the rationale to (for instance) randomly shooting into crowded areas. Bam, problem solved.

 

Archer's Instant kill should be removed. Because when i played CTF, I usually see about 10+ Archers Snipping Heavies, Medics, Or anybody else. It's really annoying tbh. Because, All Archers instant kill does is start arguments.
Heres an Example:
Let's say a noob got instant-killed by an Archer. Here's how it (usually) goes.
Noob69420666: HEY!!! THATS HACKING!! IM REPORTING YOU TO CHAP!
Archer420: No, Archer has an instant kill if it's a headshot.
Noob69420666: JBCDC BULL****. ./report IM TAKING SCREENSHOTS NEXT TIME YOU KILL ME!
*insert a really cliche argument here*
But yeah. V)

Imo, Archer is overrated. IFFFF and i'm saying IF, they ever remove the instant kill, Rip Archer. Period.

 

In my 4 years of experience I have never seen such a thing :/

 

In my almost two years, I have seen such a thing. And it was hilarious.

 

DID U JUST SAY A STONE SWORD? DO U KNOW HOW HARD ITS GOING TO BE TO PLAY THIS CLASS , they should just keep it how it is or give it a sharp 1 iron sword if that makes any difference but switching the class's weapon is going unbalance the whole structure of it

 

In my opinion, Archer is characterized by the fact that it can headshot/snipe. It's a killfarming class, and sure it's annoying, but instakilling is what defines the Archer class, and you have to actually pretty damn good to efficiently kill.

A rework of Archer should consist of removing punch from the bow, and instead putting either Knockback I or II on their sword.
But that still doesn't stop bowspamming. So, similar to how all of Mage's projectiles are limited, the bow should have a reasonable cooldown - not necessarily as much as it take to fully charge the bow, but enough so they can't bowspam and easily kill low-armor classes just via the brute force of spamming.

Like I said before, if you're an archer and in a place where a different class doesn't have to go out of their way to try and kill you, you're probs not a very good archer anyway.

 

Another thing that bothers me about archer is how strong it is up-close. You would think for a class with such extreme long-range power that it would be extremely weak in close-range combat, but it really isn't. Sure archer does 0 damage, but with 4 steak and full chain it's decently tanky. You can just tank out people trying to kill you and keep firing your bow, or tank enough hits to run away and keep shooting. I've gone on people as ninja when they're firing at my flag carrier, and they will just ignore me and keep shooting.

 

The sniping mechanic behind archer is what makes the class what it is, and it will see a significant drop in players if the instant kill is removed. If you're worried about random kills from arrow spam, that isn't a very good argument, because the exact same outcome will happen if you get hit with one well placed arrow from a skilled archer. You die. Without a ranged instant kill class, the game would become far more hectic, and it would generate a new wave of engineers and necro campers because the won't be able to be easily removed from range, and you all know how much you hate engi nests.

What i would recommend is some way of coding damage according to how far back the bow is drawn. If it is spam fired, it should be akin to a bear fist punch or a wooden sword. First charge should be similar to an iron sword damage, or 3.5 hearts before armor, second charge should be similar to a diamond axe, or around 5-6 hearts of damage before armor, and full blown instant kills should only be allowed once the bow is fully charged, in addition to the minimum traveled distance of 25 (or 30. i can never remember which it is) blocks.

 

Chaos is screwed

 

I understand that the insta-kill archer can be quite frustrating, but if it does not do the insta-kill 'thingy', then what is the point of the class? I think people would use the class a lot more if it's removed.
Feel free to quote me with any balances the archer kit could possibly have if insta-kill is removed, because I may change my opinion.

Also, going to add that the archer kit is like the iso in MC-War. The iso is a one-shot kill, and when someone (good) is using it, you will very commonly see people saying 'iso noob!' in chat. However, the iso (like the archer kit) requires extreme accuracy and the ability to telepath a players movement (skill).
Basically what I am saying is that if the iso were removed from war, the war community would be pretty angry. Staff would definitely receive backlash, and I feel like removing the archer would be the same way. who knows though.

 

honestly i agree with it being a bit op close range but I don't get why people get so mad at the instakills?? they're so easy to avoid if you're not an idiot

fight me im ready

 

you are able to block assassinates, headshots are from far range where you are able to not even see them coming, thats the difference.

 

Make headshot blockable as a penalty for not being aware of your surroundings?!?1
jk

I personally do agree with the true damage idea with DoT. Let's do it

 

lmao getting shot from 50 blocks by a lucky archer is your own fault xdd yeah

 

That is not an argument.

 

Pretty sure what he's implying is that you should be able to see the arrow coming and dodge it.

 

Sadly we all can't be as perfect as @DeadRhos and @TheMaelstromsEye.

 

first of all, thank you

second of all no, but you should be able to change your behaviour to avoid arrows: the only reason archers can kill you is due to your predictability. or luck

as an archer you can only get kills by spamming a choke point or shooting in front of where someone's going to go: have a look at my beautiful diagrams to get an idea of what i mean.




as you can see it is very very easy to headshot people because by and large people are too dumb to move out of the way

so how, rhos, do i counter my own stupidity?
i'm glad you asked

1. strafe at all times, even if you can't see an archer, especially on open ground
2. avoid choke points/paths that loads of players use
3. use tunnels
4. f3+b to show hitboxes

let me show you some updated diagrams




hey look you can play ctf now, congrats

 

That's only if you're a trash archer

 

Replaced the "you're" with "someone's", should make it more clear that I didn't mean bowspam