Idea Please remove bowspamming

I wouldn't say so, considering mage spells already have a set cooldown, and can't be spammed indefinitely. If you want the cooldown to be a little bit longer, make a thread about it

In my opinion, bows should have a cooldown too, lasting about the same as 3/4 or so of a full charge, so bowspamming is eliminated. And nobody can complain. Just give archer a knockback sword or something.

 

"Bowspam" is one of the few counters Chemist has left, I'd say to leave it in until Chemist gets looked at.

 

This isn't about chemist. In coincidence it is a form of a counter to chemist, but bowspam does affect almost any class

 

Why? Bow spamming is part of the whole kit. If it's removed it's just a fashonista kit. Fashionista is a kit that was unique, but absolute garbage. It had leather armor, stone sword, fireworks (I think), and dye. It was cool that you can dye your armor and really made everyone different. BUT archer is just archer. It's not unique, it's boring like heavy, but heavy is op so it balances. For those who do complain about it just really hate dying, and just need to deal with it.

 

lol

Look, heavy does require some pvp skill to be overpowered but then again the crits are absolutely messed up. Just because it's not unique or boring, it's still overpowered, it balances??

This is just from the archer's view point. Just because you constantly die over and over again you are told to just "deal with it." No. You don't just look from one side's point and call it a day. (I'm an archer main ok). It's absolute human nature. Most people actually do care about losing to another person. Unless you're one of those that look on the positive side and try to improve from getting shot at. (heck who can actually dodge a fair number of bowspam though)

I want to make it absolutely clear that bowspamming doesn't actually benefit anyone. The archer is just wasting their arrows which could actually be used for proper aim and get more kills from carriers (or basically anything) and the attacker doesn't manage to kill the rampant archer. If you don't actually do something to impact the game or actually use bowspam as a waste of arrows you can't tell yourself you are a useful archer

 

But I am saying that due to it's necessity it should be kept in until other variables change.

I just said "bowspam" counters chemists due to increased damage from arrow shots. And yet you ignored this with that last paragraph, are you even interested in a discussion?

 

Wasn't referring to you on the last one, nor did I continue your point on the topic. I ignored it because @SharkBaitBooHaha compared archer without bowspamming as similar to fashionista

 

solid can throw swords !!111

 

Why do you need to counter chemist as much with bowspam now anyway. It's recently taken big hits to both it's health and damage pool, and it's fire resistance isn't long enough anyway. You're talking about how chemist is so damn powerful when really it's been nerfed quite drastically. It's still a good class, people still use it, but it isn't nearly as powerful as it used to be, and ergo the point of bowspam because of the chemist class has also become less relevant. We're not exactly here to talk about chemist though, we're here to talk about archer.

 

This is not the place to discuss chemist so for the sake of the OP's thread pm me if you're interested in discussing this.

"I want to make it absolutely clear that bowspamming doesn't actually benefit anyone." But you still made a statement that you know is wrong. Why?

 

If that isn't correct, then i'll be using it as a exaggeration because there are more cons than pros. Didn't archer's arrow damage towards chemist get buffed, then nerfed? It still came to the point that i'd prefer my sword against the chemist. Not only is bowspamming actually unfun to fight, it's still a complete waste of arrows that could be used to actually do more damage to the other team. I'd rather die and respawn than waste time on one person

 

Archer's arrow damage used to instakill chemists at any range, but it got nerfed to our current setup and hasn't been touched since (I think). Thing is Ender, all that is just your own opinion and not actual fact, other people have the ability to enjoy things that you don't and use the extra damage bonus if they wish just as much as you don't have to.

 

I object to removing both abilities. If the instakill ability got removed, archer would be a very vulnerable class to play as it contains no special abilities, making it underpowered and unequal against other classes; and "bowspam" i'm assuming is if someone shoot arrows repeatedly at nearby players trying to attack them. If this got removed, archer would be even more vulnerable when someone near them is chasing/attacking them as the bow also has a Punch 1 enchantment to knock them back.

 

I agree with the people saying archer is needed as a recovery class especially when people are medic teaming and have several others defending them whilst they run to their flag room. But I do think something needs to be done with the class. I haven't played ctf much lately and I joined today to just get killed right out of spawn by 3 camping archers. I think archer spawn killing needs to be fixed more than anything... It is contributing nothing to his/her team just collecting kills for the archer. The best map example I can think of for this is Valley of Ruin archers just camp on the walls spawn killing. I can understand them camping on their side to defend the flag castle but just killing people as soon as they walk out of spawn is just annoying :/ I think the best fix for bow spam would be just make it so an archer has to be at full draw to shoot an arrow like pyro's bow works. Another way to help with bowspam is give the archer a better sword so they are more effective in defending themselves

 

Im done acknowledging these threads. They are just annoying at this point.

My opinion is both should be removed. End scene.

 

I just find that 25 blocks are too few to count as a "snipe". Maybe increasing range to 30/35 blocks to count it as a "snipe"??

 

this isn't bowspam, this is headshot range. Also this wouldn't fix the problem with archer anyway

 

As an archer, I kinda agree that bowspam is quite annoying, but:
If a mage/assassin comes, then you're screwed unless you DO bowspam.
I don't think they should get rid of bowspam. Just don't let it bother you so much. Nice thing about archer is, if they're bowspamming, go archer yourself and target them for the rest of the match

Maybe they could set a timer between shots, but they shouldn't get rid of it.

 

Tbh cheos here should be removed bc to good man :^ )

 

And for Bowspamming...
They could make it so that you get 1 arrow every 5 seconds and can only stack up to 7