Ninja Capping....

I dont know about you, but I dont find it fun to stare at the flag the whole entire game. I think @Jul13n made a thread a while ago about possible updates, and a ninja update included a ninja not being able to pick up the flag if their pearl has been out of their inventory for more than like. . . 1.5 seconds i think it was? 1 second? dont remember. But I would be more fine with that. Still not fine, but more fine. Prevents ghosting at least. There's still the fact that no other class gets across the map as fast as ninja, which I think is a deal breaker. Cuz if they do get out (which happens pretty often for it being apparently super easy to defend against), it can be pretty difficult to recover if youre not already ninja. By pretty difficult, i mean ****ing impossible.

Ninja capping is literally just pearling up, running into flag while invis, then sitting there blocking before your pearl lands. I dont see how that's hard. Yes, the defense may stop you if they pay attention/are lucky/stare at the flag the whole game, however there's no real skill involved.
For premas, you just go invis and pearl away. You literally just have to make sure youre far enough from the banner to not pearl into it. And again, if the defense has even just a second of not looking at the flag, they're basically screwed. So.

Yea. Part of the skill needed for capping is being able to fight your way through the defense, grab the flag, and fight your way out. Ninja capping nullifies all of that, and really takes 0 amount of skill. A newbie could learn how to do it and successfully do it in maybe a couple of minutes.

 

You make it sound like it's really difficult to just stare at the flag for oncoming ninjas. Unless you're daydreaming its pretty easy to spot one dead on. Let's not forget that if you just jump crit a ninja as buffed heavy they have no chance of getting to the other side of the map alive, or at least capping in 30 seconds. It rarely happens that I fail to spot a ninja, and while it may be true to some extent that buffed heavy cannot cap in less than seconds, it could just as easily cap as a ninja, it destroys basically any class you put in front of it even if it has the flag. It has a better chance of surviving than ninja by far.

Keep in mind it's also pretty easy to spot a ninja and headshot them before they pearl away

 

When you have to camp at midfield in Order to counter a ghost or prem-cap after its escaped. And even then you only got 5 seconds if playing as mage, or almost no chance for any other class.
Still when the other team has 4 people trying to ninja cap combined with the other potential cappers (or should I say distractors) Its pretty hard to stop everyone. And this was going on almost every game I was in. I was almost tempted to play dwarf just to make sure they die.

 

Sure it might take "0" skill to ninjacap, but it often fails. A ninja capper is pretty much screwed if any class besides medic taps it. Even if blocking, you have to remember the flag poison (1.5 hearts), and the pearl damage (2 hearts per pearl). If you assume that they pearl at least three times to get to the other side of the map, you have 2.5 hearts to work with, and practically any class can one-shot this naked ninja or screw it over by tapping it in the beginning.

Anyway, ninja defenders often end up catching the ninja cappers in the end, and there's never any lack of them them tbh. In practically every real CTF game nowadays, you'll see at least 1 ninja on defense.

So yeah, ninja capping may be super quick and takes "0" skill, but it's still pretty difficult, and the risk is way greater then capping as soldier, medic, or chemist.

 

people would complain a lot less about ninja capping if they realised defending doesnt just mean standing in the flag room n hitting things that come in. if u roam nearish to mid then you can still attack offense b4 they get to the flag room and can counter ninja caps by watching for the pearl. it isnt hard!!

 

Naw it's not difficult to stare at the flag the whole game. it's just incredibly boring and terrible gameplay that really ruins the game for me. And bro. I have said this so many times. I literally have had instances where I jump critted the ninja 2-3 times. They still got out. They still capped in 20 seconds.

I don't agree that heavy can cap as easily as ninja. Ninja may accumulate more deaths if the defense pays attention the whole time, but if a ninja does get out, it will definitely have the easier cap. Again, a class like heavy has to fight through the defense to get to the flag, then it has to fight OUT of the flag room, then it has to get across the map either by itself or with a medic. Using teamwork. A ninja can just walk into a flag room and be out in a heartbeat. Heavy has a better chance at surviving for a longer period of time, but it isn't easier for them to capture.

I don't get your logic. How is being able to capture really easy and quickly not make a class overpowered? How is being able to cap with little to no chance of recovery in 10-20 seconds not make a class overpowered? These are literally the exact same reasons that instacapping was nerfed. With regular ninja capping, it's only slightly less extensive.

As for you playing roaming defense as ninja, good for you. Not everyone has ninja. Not everyone wants to play ninja all the time. Not everyone wants to stare at a ****ing fencepost the whole time in order to keep the game from ending in 3 minutes. There's not always a ninja on defense. There are other things going on in the match that give ninja's easy caps. Simply because a ninja may or may not die a lot when attempting to cap does not excuse a horrifically small chance of recovery w/o a ninja. It's bull****. If it was easy to defend against, it wouldn't happen so much. I don't know how many times I've said "Oh we have a bunch of defense, we'll be fine," go on offense, then suddenly a ninja steals and caps before I can even get to the enemy flag room. The only reason it doesnt happen even more is because people like myself and @Ducksfan101 have gotten so sick of this type of gameplay that decide to waste our whole game away to try and keep the game from ending so quickly. Ninja is the only class that a free class has no chance of recovering on without pure luck. Initial defense is not enough.

The speed at which ninja crosses the map nullifies basically everything you just said. The amount of hearts you lose doesnt matter if there's no one to recover off of you because you teleported across the whole map in 10 seconds. Not to mention you can literally heal 1.5 per pearl while it's in the air when you have the opportunity. And you will have the opportunity because you just teleported across the whole map.

lol the "risk" is much greater. What's the risk? Dying? No person on offense cares about dying. It's part of the job. Ninja gets 20 more chances to capture than regular classes anyway, and it only takes a half second distraction to get out relatively clean. Is the risk that someone on the other team steals as well? Eh, just pearl to spawn and switch classes. Happens more often than not.

TL; DR I'm so sick of told to just stare at the flag the whole game. It's a bull**** excuse. No one wants to do that, no one should have to do that, no one should be capped upon with little to no chance of recovery for a second lapse of not staring at the flag, and it doesn't even ****ing work half the time because the ninja eggspams/hits you away and gets out easy. Not everyone has ninja, not everyone wants to play ninja. We should not be forced to play ninja just to stop the game from ending in 3 minutes. Honestly, if I had a choice of removing engineer or removing ninja capping, I would remove ninja capping because at least with 40 goddamn people in my flag room, I have a fair chance at recovering on them with a normal class.

 

Not everyone has to stare at a flag. When there are classes like dwarf (Broken btw) that camps at the flagpost which can instantly destroy a ninja. Along with the numerous other classes that linger around the flag. If you can't see a the ninja it's because the defense isn't focused or they are blocking the view of the flagpost and that isn't the fault of ninja capping.
Since CTF is a team game just say "watch out for ninjas" or alert the defense when you see one coming into flagroom. A pyro can easily keep shooting the flag or a mage could easily continuously shoot it. Don't even get me started on engi. This obnoxious class can put their turret right next to flagroom and kill ninjas at will. (Also broken btw)
There are so many easy ways to prevent ninja capping

 

How to defend against ninja:
1. Ninja defense the whole game
2. Staring at flag (works half the time)
3. Standing at mid hoping to catch their pearl the whole game
4. Spell spam/arrow spam/dwarf the whole game.
So fun.

Ways to allow ninja to cap in 10 seconds:
1. Look away for half a second. RIP defense, ultra rip recov

 

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pro ninja cappers annoy me, but, literally, all you need to do is keep hitting your flag and no ninja will get the flag. it's not like ninjas have diamond armour, 2 hit them boom they're dead

 

Cuz we can totally do this the whole game to prevent 20 second caps

 

The majority of people complaining about ninja capping are talking as though they're the only player on defense. No, you don't need to glue your eyes to the flag, because there are almost always other players also playing defense.. You'd be surprised how difficult it can be to find the right time to go out of invis and grab the flag without having a player from the other team hit you; even if you do manage to get out with or without being hit, the ninja health pool is so low without armour that it takes near to nothing to kill it.

 

Brandino. Try ninja capping yourself, and you'll how frustrating it is. It's not as easy as you say it is. Then, try capping as soldier or something and you'll a huge difference in your sucsess rate. If you really hate ninja capping, you should present some actual facts and maybe record a few minutes of you ninja capping vs you capping as soldier/medic anything else. Don't complain just because you are unhappy. You arent looking at this in the eyes of a ninja capper. In reality, that one ninja cap was the result of 10+ failures of other ninjas and a lot of their time. Try it yourself.

 

I did try it. Bro I've been playing for way longer than you have lmao I've tried just about everything in the game. It's not hard to ninja cap. No, I'm not looking at this through the eyes of a ninja capper. I'm looking at this through the eyes of a long time defense main.

 

Considering that it's easier to cap as soldier, medic, or chemist, ninja capping is kinda difficult. You literally have no armor and can get rekt by any class that knows how to jump crit.

And as I said before, pretty much every CTF game has a ninja on defense, and ninja cappers can't just spam pearl fast or they'll die, and the defensive ninja can just recov it.

Anyway ninja capping is not as simple as running up to the flag and stealing it. The chance capping is actually very low, and dying happens a lot.

For example, I'm looking at your player information rn and as ninja, you've stolen the flag 234 times, dropped it 190 times, and capped it 128 times. About 50% of the time you sucsessfully cap as a ninja. That's quite low and it kinda proves how risky ninja capping is. Besides, you're a good and experienced player, but other ninja cappers would fail even more.

By the way Happy New Years everybody!

 

This thread, smh.

Happy New Year to my CTFers!

 

Lol that's why everyone goes ninja when there's a dwarf, cuz it's so much easier to cap with soldier, medic, or chemist.

I see maybe 3/10 games with a ninja defense, not counting the games that I go ninja the whole game to defend against ninja caps.

Yes they can. They can't spam it into the ground, no, but they can yknow. Go across the map with it. If theyve taken some damage, they can just pause for a second cuz chances are most defenses wont know where they are/wont catch up.

Yes it is. That's exactly what you do. You literally run in while invis, and wait to steal or steal if you ghosted.

Those stats do not take into account the many times I have pearled to spawn and switched to a different class or just capped again. If you count those, it would be a much higher rate. Same concept as the wage gap, it's misinterpreted. And I'd say 50% is pretty high tbh. That's basically saying for every flag I steal, I have a 50/50 chance at capping in 10 seconds, or capping later when I switch classes.

You also failed to mention the cap rates of the other classes. For ninja I have about a .55 cap:steal ratio, for soldier I have about a .45 cap:steal ratio, and for chemist I have a .47 cap:steal ratio, all of which do not take into account the times that I switched classes when ninja capping/given the flag randomly, so classes other than ninja are most likely .02 lower give or take. Basically, I debunked almost all your claims on ninja capping being harder. Funny how you cherry picked that stat.

And when you go to your stats, I'll say that's an effect of people becoming annoyed with ninja capping and trying much harder to keep it from happening.

And would they fail more? I'm not a capping main. If I cap 50+% of the time with ninja, it'd probably be a lot higher for an actual ninja capper.

 

As of right now only 12/46 people who voted wanted to remove ninja capping. That is roughly only 25%. So the numbers seem to say most people are fine with ninja capping. Which says most people either
A. Know how to defend against it
Or
B. Enjoy ninja capping

Either way the people seem to strongly be pro-ninja

Why can't we leave ninja alone and focus on a classes that need to be changed like archer and dwarf