Why do the MMR in CTF ban necro and engineer?

It was banned from matches because of their nature of being camp and wait classes instead of engaging in direct combat, and a lot of players disliked them for that. So in order to achieve higher quality games they were removed. Personally I could imagine allowing some/all of the three to be played and have the teams decide on their own if they want to play with them.

 

Correct, that's why a change in that regard might be a good idea.

 

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Engineer can be easily abused by the likes of engineer tele caps by having a team mate grab the flag, engineer gives them an entry tp to spawn/next to their flag for a simple, easy capture (if used offensively). Also, the defense on teams wouldn't be able to handle the constant flow of players showing up practically 3 times faster.. With engineers teleporting teammates right next to the flag, archer could be considered useless since you can simply teleport past the archer instead.

Necro, I can see it being played, depending on map.

 

What if Engineer was removed as an entire class?

 

I mean the engineer just needs to go with his offense at the start and set up, would need multiple people to kill him once he does.

You can literally just teleport people all the way across the map and bypass the archer by getting your complete offense by, the only time archer will be able to headshot is once the person gets the flag (which most likely the carrier will have support since the whole offense was able to get to the flagroom without being headshot or killed by roaming.

The auto aim is just so stupid in general. With a well placed spot, that turret would be lasting there for the whole game since in matches, a team can't afford to make 3 players go kill a engineer while you never know when their offense is about to go in (when used offensively). Defensively, it would ruin narrow hallway maps like metro, airlock, and possibly even a few other commonly placed maps. Jesus, imagine having a match against BK and they have a mage and an engineer on metro @Unifier .


Essentially, engineer would ruin not only ruin the main idea behind some classes, but ruin maps and the idea of having a more or less skillfull match (then again I main assassin).

 

My reasoning is this: Roles/positions and available players. Each team has a select amount of players, and depending on the amount per match, there are only a certain amount of roles to be filled. Every individual has their strengths and weaknesses, as such, people will gravitate to their role as part of the team. By the time you get down to it, (and this depends on the size of the match) necro really isn't an option because it honestly doesn't have much to offer. To better state this, it really isn't needed. CTF'ers have been winning and losing matches without necro for years. I seriously doubt it will have any affect on gameplay throughout matches, other than being an annoyance, which is how I see it now. As far as team gameplay, necro doesn't really fit, due to the fact the class itself is meant to pretty much function on its own (with the exception of placing spawner, and zombies). That doesn't fit with the narrative of matches which is based on the foundation of teamwork to generate a successful outcome for the team.

Summing up this, I would have to say, "What's the ****in point?".

PS: I will note, that I do not play necro, and only messed with it on freeday back on MCPVP. So, whatever assumptions or knowledge of the class is old and outdated.

 

The flaw with that is you still have to worry about broken engineer spots. Also, a heavy really can't take out a turret easily if the turret has either a player with it or the engineer him/herself as hey, cake isn't going to make it easy. It will probably take more then one person to take out an engineer. More importantly, the medic can literally camp next to this engineer and never die, practically guaranteeing a flag carrier a medic. Already, medic mains will play hide and go seek to attempt to try to heal carriers, as medic regeneration can be considered an insanely powerful tool when it comes to games. Imagine if you can guarantee the medic restore every time just by going to the engineer close to the flagroom, defending the medic and holding off most enemy players in the meantime. Defense and recovery would be a nightmare as you can't get the medic since they are defended by a engineer, and if/once someone steals, they literally just to go the protected medic, backed up by an engineer, for a confirmed medic restore, and enough time to coordinate support.

 

Engineer dwarf and necro all feel completely terrible to play against and would make matches terrible