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  1. Shado__

    Shado__ Member

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    So, earlier today I was banned for "Death Threats"
    I made an appeal - https://gyazo.com/082efcce23bd88242be37075441f2801
    and that appeal was denied, as you can see.
    I addressed the fact that the staff member that had banned me was bias. He just semi-furthered my point by instantly denying the appeal that I made. He says that banning for a week for is protocol, but I really must say that it's bs.
    He could simply mute me, or what I normally do on the servers that I'm staff on, talk to the person that is breaking the rules, explain what they did wrong, and understand their side. Tell them what they could change, and let them keep having fun and playing.
    This player was muted for what I was banned for, but I thought that banning is protocol?
    https://gyazo.com/5381f4550af68ec1a81087a7899cfff7
    (I understand the difference between deathwish and death threat now, but there really shouldn't be that big of a gap in the punishment system)
    This whole situation is just reeking of.. not quite abuse, but.. unenthusiastic behavior. like, he really doesn't want to help. I've been head of staff teams before, I've been staff on many servers before, and whenever I meet a staff member that acts like this, I normally address their flaw and work it out with them. This staff member was completely unreasonable. I've put so much time into the server these last couple of days, having fun with my friends and just pvping. I really hate to have that experience ruined by a bias staff member.

    I really do not understand why telling someone that you're gonna kill them (In a server full of people killing each other) is ban worthy. I understand that it's a death threat, but, you could simply mute them. I'd love to hear what you guys think about that rule.

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    How do you guys feel about staff members addressing the appeals of players that they banned?
    I think that the staff member that banned the player shouldn't be the one to address their appeal.
    A new staff member, with a new view on the situation should be the one that decides it.
     
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  2. Reabear

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    Agreed, this sounds stupid, and whoever thought this rule was a good idea is stupid.
     
  3. 19Cameron91

    19Cameron91 Well-Known Member

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    First of all, there's a difference between a death threat and a death wish. A death threat is you want to kill someone yourself. A death wish is you want someone to die.
    Second of all, @SoCool21 summed it up.
     
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    That is the same thing
     
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  5. Shado__

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    19Cameron91 Well-Known Member

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    It's not. There's a difference between wishing someone to die and threatening to personally killing someone yourself.
     
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  7. Duso

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    A death threat is worse than a death wish
     
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  8. 19Cameron91

    19Cameron91 Well-Known Member

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    Actually, with the warning system in game, you will be muted 12 hours on your second warning.
     
  9. SoCool21

    SoCool21 Bans Reports & Appeals Admin | McPvPer for Life <3

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    How exactly would I be bias? You did indeed get a combo on me, but if I banned everyone who was better than me, Brawl would literally have no players.

    There's a difference between a death wish and a death threat. Something like "kys" is a death wish, as you're wishing someone kills themselves. "I'm gonna kill you" is a death threat, as you're not wishing someone will die, you're saying you will physically kill them. The protocol for death threats is to type the command "/warn <playername> threats Death threats", which is precisely what I did. I did that command, and doing that command then banned you for a week. I don't get to decide the protocol here - if I did, the rules would be completely different, trust me.

    Unenthusiastic behaviour? I'm simply enforcing the rules - I'm not allowed to make exceptions for anyone. If someone who I had upmost respect for, I'll still enforce the rules. And I have indeed had flaws in the past - one time I locked a thread instead of deleting it, as I got the protocol wrong. An admin corrected my mistake, and that was the last time I ever locked a thread when deleting it was the correct thing to do. And I'm afraid there's nothing I can do if you were having fun with your friends and PvPing - it was your decision to break the rules, and you were punished accordingly for it.
     
  10. Shado__

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    But there is a difference. Telling someone to kill themselves and telling someone "i'm gonna kill ye" shouldn't even be close to the same punishment. Especially when it's a 1 hour mute and a week long ban. I understand that you can't go against the rules, but you can still try to be friendly. Apologize for having to ruin someones week?
    I'm still confused on how telling someone to kill themselves isn't as bad as telling them that you're gonna kill them. Especially when it's a game about killing eachother. I mean, imo, the punishments should be swapped.

    Again, I understand that you need to follow the rules in order to keep control and avoid chaos, but, really? You could tell that I wasn't actually going to kill him in real life. It's not like I said "I'm going to hunt you down and murder you in your sleep"
    You should be able to have some leniency, tell a player what they did wrong instead of insta having then banned and most likely having them quit the server over something so little.
     
  11. Squidward

    Squidward BEST WARZ SMOD NO KAPPA (ง'̀-'́)ง

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    Just think about this. Threats are an action you can accomplish. Wishes are things that might or might not happen. While you threaten to take someones life, you could easily do it. It's absurd if you would over a simple block game. You are saying you are willing to take someones life away. There is children who play on Brawl, and them reading that? If you maybe think about the people surrounding you instead of yourself, maybe you could see it's wrong. Maybe a wish is as bad as a threat, maybe that could be worked on. But you said "ruining someones week", imagine if someone sensitive actually read that. People over the internet aren't always what they seem, and no one may have the tolerance level as other. So they might take you serious. In no way, shape, or form, is it right to ever say stuff like that. Hence you were temp-banned by SoCool. And he was 100% right to do so.
     
  12. Shado__

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    For a week mate? Really?
    I understand that people can be sensation online. Hell, I know first hand how bad that can be.
    But, do you honestly believe that telling a friend that you're gonna kill them in a game where you kill each other is worth a 1 week ban?
    If he had taken a moment and asked about the situation, he could of resolved it without the punishment, and it could of been a great experience for all of us.

    If the argument that you made is true though, then the player that was warned for that death wish should be banned for forever. If the person was sensitive, telling them to kill themselves is much, much worse. ESPECIALLY if they have depression or suicidal thoughts.
    I really do not think your argument is valid enough.

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    I also believe that it's really unfair that my appeal was denied, I showed remorse, and the situation was most likely not what the staff member thought it was. It would of been completely acceptable to say "please understand what you did wrong, and never do it again" and to have accepted the appeal. But the staff member, obviously not wanted me to be back on the server denied it without any fair reason.
    Apparently second chances aren't a thing? Apparently mistakes aren't a thing? Apparently forgiveness isn't a thing.
    I even apologized about any inconveniences that my actions might of brought, and I sincerely accepted that I was in the wrong. But the staff member still doesn't care.
    It is obvious that the staff member doesn't care if the player count drops, they only care if they follow the rules exactly. In my opinion, that's one of the worst types of staff members. The ones that do not believe that people can change, the ones that don't care about the feelings of the players, the ones that don't second guess themselves, and the ones that do not hesitate to punish even if they don't have the full story.

    I believe that you targeting me out of all of the players on the map and in between us shows that you have a strong dislike towards me to the point that you would go out of your way to kill me.
     
  13. 19Cameron91

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    OK, that's ridiculous. Any other staffer would've punished for the same reason.
     
  14. Squidward

    Squidward BEST WARZ SMOD NO KAPPA (ง'̀-'́)ง

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    Lol the last person I would ever call biased is socool. If it came down to it, and that situation happened to me, even if he had respect for me, he wouldn't of held back from temp-banning me.
     
  15. Shado__

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    But any other staff member would also probably have been reasonable and given a second chance after the appeal. I'm not making all of this to say that socool is a bad staff member, I'm pointing out my bad experiences and hopefully explaining to others what my predicament is.
     
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    I can tell you right now that "any other staff member" would have followed protocol by administering the same warning and denying your appeal.
     
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    Why would any other staff member give you a "second chance" and not follow the protocol?

    That's your point of view, but not the protocol.
     
  18. Daveeeeeeeee

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    Don't know how the first one is a ban considering there is no evidence it was related to the outside world and it could easily have been in the game.
     
  19. Proterozoic

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    Sounds to me like you broke the rule and now have to face the consequences. The rule is reasonable, there's not a lot more to say to be honest other than:

    If you don't want to face the punishment, then don't break the rule
     
  20. Shado__

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    I didn't know that it was a rule, upon realizing it (and being banned) I made an appeal.

    Because I'd like to believe that my appeal was reasonable. I had remorse, I understood what I did wrong.
    But the same staff member who had targeted me in game, and really obviously showed that they didn't like me denied it on the same grounds "I shouldn't of broken the rule" the rule that I didn't know existed. I mean, why do you think I made the appeal in the first place. If I knew I was going to be punished, I wouldn't have broke the rule in the first place.
     
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