Assassin Discussion

Assassin is a lot more powerful than you're making it out to be, especially since you said yourself that you've mained it for years. As Assassin, it's way smarter to intercept a fleeing flag carrier via a surprise attack (i.e. dropping down onto them, jumping out from being something, etc.) than blatantly running behind them. The redstone fake is a very strong tactic, especially against regulars who know what they're doing.

 

Give assassin a stack of redstone. problem solved.

 

I say we should make you the new head CTF ideas person.

 

I completely agree. I have all the ideas. Wool, Sharpness 6 for ninja, give chemist back it's health potions, remove engineer, remove mage, remove Necro, give heavy strength potion.

 

So I've been on and off with CTF for the past year or so, but I've pretty much been an assassin main since 2013 or 2014, so I'll give my two cents.

I think assassin is possibly one of the most balanced classes in the game. I know that probably seems stupid for me to say, but hear me out. Assassin has the ability to instakill everyone in the game, no matter how much armor or health they have. Not only that but assassin has the highest movement speed in the game and is immune to fall damage when it pops assassinate. That just sounds stupid OP, but then you realize you can just block lol. Almost every class that is going to be carrying the flag can block, sorry pyro and mage cappers, you don't count. Assassins is really unique in the fact that it's almost 100% based around awareness. If you can position yourself in a spot where you can intercept and kill the flag carrier, you'll get hella recoveries. If the carrier is aware that there is an assassin, they can just switch perspectives a lot and watch out for assassin, which makes assassin almost useless. Assassin is a high risk high reward character, where every engagement with a player is either their death or your own.

Only problem I have with assassin isn't assassin itself, but soldier. It's annoying sometimes when you're just behind a soldier and you're just about to get em, and he walk climbs and blocks your assassinate unintentionally. That can be really frustrating lol, since soldier can just fly around a wall while assassin has to take some stairs. Other than that, I feel like assassin has gotten weaker in the flagroom, due to the fact that they're so open now, I don't know what happened when I was gone but now all flagrooms are just wide open and you can hardly sneak up on people. It makes assassin less effective in the flagroom, but there are ways to work around this. Now I just run around outside the flagroom and try to catch the carrier on their way out, since they're already panicking since they have a mob of people after them lol.

 

Assassin is pretty effective for recovery still, but it could really use either a health or armor buff. At the moment, assassins can be instakilled by medic web and even ninja powder. Also while it does have that tiny window of one hit power, most every class can one-two hit assassins always.

 

LordCh4os get off your alt please.

 

Heck it's the first time ever I make such a big post (apart from team threads) D: give me a break
and I can pvp a bit, chaos can't <3

 

That is not close to what chaos would write (ily chaos)

 

cuz he has little knowledge about assassin
-no offense-

 

Hence why I didn't write one in the first place. Besides, that post isn't nearly long enough smh (1000 words minimum)

 

/no.

 

@GreenNature I appreciate the shoutout ( I knew you had a crush on me) ! As for my opinion on this issue (Which may be helpful after 5 years), the only points I agree with are that assassin is bad against turtling flag holders, is bad against chemist and ninja, it is easy to counter when people are aware of it, powerful against dwarves, and guaranteed death. I would like to go over each in turn.

Assassin is bad against turtling flag holders, especially soldiers
The only problem with turtling flag holders at the moment is the fact that they can go into water. If the availability for flag holders to enter water was not available, than recovery is always an option with the combination of pyro and assassin. The issue blocking in water imposes on the game is that there is no class that benefits from this. The only possible counter is an archer at range, but if this water source is within cover than there is no chance. This point does not have anything to do with assassin's strength, rather than the overpowered nature of flag holders in water, and the only solutions are to not allow people with flags to enter water or a new class that has some counter to players in water.

Assassin is bad against chemist and ninja
Yes, assassin is bad against chemist and ninja. Deal with it. Every class has some counters (forget mage and non-match classes....like I would know anything about matches). Assassin will never be good against chemist because of the splash radius of potions. Minecraft will never allow a solution so deal with it. As for ninja, I believe that an assassin getting two shot by ninjas is a bit extreme. I would recommend nerfing that class engagement to a three shot because ninja already has invisibility, teleportation, and flash bomb advantage over assassin, so some time for reaction is needed. The only logical way to fix this is more armor to assassin.

Assassin is easy to counter when people are aware of it
No. Next question.....but really. I have killed just about every good player on the server with assassin when I am right in front of them and they have 10 seconds to prepare for me. As inventor of the fake redstone I take pride in my ability to kill even the most suspicious enemy. Assassin is not bad when players are aware of you, maybe more practice is needed there.

Assassin is powerful against dwarves
Most of the times that dwarves are even a thing is on super closed flag rooms with a single, bad entrance (Examples....Old waterfalls map, Old opposites collide, ect...) Assassin is not good in these flagrooms against dwarves because they see you coming a mile away and can block. Dwarves will only ever be seen in play when they are safe from assassins in my opinion, so this is false.

Assassin is guaranteed death
Again, this is one of those that is just "No" and "Why did you include that in this thread." We all die in game a bunch, but encounters with anything as an assassin is never guaranteed death.

 

Oh god, just give up. The only buff assassin needs is more health/armor. It is one of the most balanced classes with a need of small buff. Assassin die in two hits to a ninja now because of its sharpness 5 and it gets very frustrating. Assassin is already fragile as it is, able to die in one hit after using assassinate and usually a 2 to 4 hit kill for most classes.

Summary: Give assassin a small armor buff.