Ctf staff applications

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I think this would be an excellent question to put to the community. Refs can still at times be hard to come by, and it'd be interesting to see if there was still a lot of interest in a particular ref rank (with an appropriate application process, of course)

 

After reading this, I still don't know why we couldn't open up CTF JMod applications. There's really no harm, is there?

 

I don't think a "ref" rank would be implemented. But we could have a select few JMODS and mods from other servers besides CTF that have prior knowledge about the gamemode become able to ref.

 

Absolutely against this
there is no use in getting jmods who already have to focus on their own servers to keep stuff clear to help our gamemode out that could be perfectly fine with some active, representable referees from ctf itself. I would much rather see a ctf person that is not staff member, but selected by the ctf community, become a ref for ctf

 

Absolutely against the fact that global jmods aswell have the power to set-up ctf matches? You simply cannot hand someone a rank of perms to setting up matches. Easily abusable, people like @Ducksfan101 tricked a mod into setting up a map for him for the scav. hunt. Aswell as blacklisting from matches, and all these commands also work in regular matches. If someone wants to become a ref so bad then let them apply, clearly as stated someone got accepted with apps being down right? Adding ANOTHER rank is something that mostlikely WONT happen. Due to the restriction of power and the trust you are given. You earn trust, thats why jmods have trial periods. This "ref" rank is a big nono. Literally there is always a mod on that is willing to help people with maps and stuff like that but most of the time someone ask for maps they get ignored and get frustrated. Plus no one comes to mind who would care enough to ref matches that is mature enough, and clearly unbiased. Commands like that are given to JMODS+, not to some person just wants to ref a match. And most of the time there is always a REF!

 

Don't worry I got my hours cut at work I can ref again

 

The majority of people in this community wouldn't want to ref, and it's hard to think of anyone who would actually spend their time doing and who is qualified for the position. I'm saying it probably WON'T be implemented because putting in other ranks has been suggested before a lot and guess what answer we got? A no. So I'm telling you answers we have recieved xD. This "ref" rank isn't even related to this thread since it's about ctf apps and not ingame ranks for reffing tho??????

 

There is a huge amount of ctf players who are very positive about the ref rank idea, if you're so positive about something, why would they not want it? It is a responsibility but so is setting up a team, repping for a team etc. I honestly don't see why it's that much of a problem with trust and all. If the ctf community gets to pick refs, perhaps 1 from each team?!, in agreement with the ctf commitee, there honestly should not be a problem.
Suggestion: get the team reps in a discord with the mods (not the ctf rep discord) and have them discuss possible reps

 

The people who would come to mind that have ever been discussed mostlikely wouldn't take up the offer. Thats the problem, and handpicking isn't as simple as you think. You have to take everything into consideration.

 

This is one of the worst ways to "select" a staff member. Way higher risk of ending up with someone who abuses when ppl are selected by a popularity contest - which is what this boils down to. That is why we have interviews

Just re-open apps and get some more slaves, i mean j-mods to ref matches. No harm in that imo

 

Okay so, this thread just completely got into a different category.
Let's stick to the "Re-opening CTF Spot", please?

 

yes I'd prefer the reopening of apps, but if there is to be a ref rank, I'd have it this way

 

And how do you know this?

 

Yes, there are definitely trustworthy people out in the community, but trustworthiness is only one of the factors of being a moderator, or even a ref (depending on whichever you're focusing on). However, that does not mean we should be handing out commands like treats to a dog just because they show some "trustworthiness". I know a bunch of people who could moderate chat in CTF. Does that mean we should give them perms for chat commands? If we did, would chat be moderated better? The answer would probably be yes. However, this scenario would open up a huge probability of bias.
-Would the permed people be considered staff?
-Would their actions be backed by the staff team and Brawl as a whole?
-What would be the defining factor between a permed person and a staff member?
-If the permed people are not trusted enough with moderator information, then why are they trusted with commands?

Also, you were never taught how to ref. You were taught how to set up matches, but only CTF Committee members are qualified to teach someone how to ref.

If you want other reasons against this, look at SoCool's argument above along with Admiral's.

I support ref rank if it would be given to staff members with heavy experience within the CTF Team Scene.

 

Instead of reopen staff apps for CTF, couldn't we create a rank for REF? She/he should have CTF experience, must know the MMR and be mature.

 

@Forever_Burning