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Idea Ref Rank | Discussion & Ideas.

Discussion in 'Capture the Flag' started by Grenzo, Jul 18, 2017.

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  1. Grenzo

    Grenzo Well-Known Member

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    Sorry that this thread is not like my others threads. (Intros, outro, info, etc...)
    'Cause this was an idea made by @redslime and I took this idea into a real thread.

    A couple days ago, I was commenting on posts, 'till I saw this young man ( @redslime ) write this on a post:

    And, I thought this was a brilliant idea.
    Some did not like this idea, and some did.
    This is more of a discussion type post, and I think it'll be interesting to see the comments.

    "Ref rank" was an idea made by redslime which would be a rank // tag who would be given to active and qualified people who could set up CTF Matches.
    Since, at times we don't have a Moderator online who can set up a match.

    So, down below discuss what you think and what your opinion on a "Ref rank" would be.
    Thanks!
    ~Grenzo [ Idea made by: @redslime ]
     
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  2. redslime

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    ok thanks haha!!!
     
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  3. Grenzo

    Grenzo Well-Known Member

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    If I didn't give you credit, I was probably gonna get flamed at. :V
     
  4. EmperorTrump45

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    or we could just reopen ctf staff apps for EU people
     
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  5. Grenzo

    Grenzo Well-Known Member

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    That's another thread, this is a different thread.
    This is about the ref rank, not the re-opening CTF Spots.
     
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  7. Grenzo

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  8. SoCool21

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    I can't think of a single person who should become a ref instead of a full CTF staff member... I can see why the ref rank would be useful, but wouldn't it be more useful to just promote more people to staff so we have more people moderating too?
     
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  9. Daveeeeeeeee

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    But some people who would be good would only want to spend short periods of time playing the game (matches), moderators should be playing more actively than some of these people that should be refs.
     
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    If someone doesn't want to play the game regularly, why would they want to be a ref in the first place?
     
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  11. Xelasi

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    ^^ Tbh, I think the real question: who might be suited for/ mature enough for / actually interested in a staff position right now?

    A lot of really good candidates are either not interested, are inactive, or just aren't as involved in/informed on the entire team scene and culture. An ideal candidate would also be someone able to put their own ego aside to work with staff as a team member.

    Any ideas of people without recent flame, maturity issues, or conflicting motives would be helpful. Maybe opening apps would give people a reason to improve on that as well, as you'd mentioned elsewhere.

    hmmmmmmmmm
     
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  12. Grenzo

    Grenzo Well-Known Member

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    Me. Just kidding!














    I'm not joking...... :grinning:
    jk
     
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    SoCool21 Bans Reports & Appeals Admin | McPvPer for Life <3

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    ^ This

    I can think of a few people who are really interested in becoming staff and have a few minor flaws. Letting them apply, even if they end up being denied, will let them work on it and eventually become a staff member. I see people saying that there's "too many staff" because there's the risk of them going inactive .etc - this could be avoided by simply only accepting good candidates, and demoting bad staff.
     
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  14. Grenzo

    Grenzo Well-Known Member

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    Like everyone is saying, I agree on opening staff applications.
    (CTF Applications, *wink wink*)
     
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    Most or a lot team members don't play CTF regularly, they play it for the team scene. This could be the same with moderating/reffing.
     
  16. Xelasi

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    I did have this idea the other day about having a staff rotation system so people could work on and off months and have more motivation through active months..... erm, I guess I'll make a thread or see if someone else has brought it up.


    Interesting concept to bring up, though applying it to the ref idea. I feel like the people we'd need in that ref position would be active ones, unless we're taking the "Ref Rank" concept and making it more like the original Build "Trusted Rank" concept and have it as something people could apply for and keep (within reason) without being forced to punch a Brawl timecard.
     
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    No decent candidate though, spoken to basically all mods and none really thought there was a good candidate for the position
     
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  18. pandanielxd

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    1. ref rank wasnt specifically made up by hallopu/redslime
    2. i still think it should be implemented, in a way like build team maybe? and pls you dont need to be in the committee to make sure people follow the rules in matches >~>
     
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  19. Lewka

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    ^ Ref rank could be pretty much considered like part of the wiki team or build team.

    Imo being a ref should not necessarily abide with being suitable for staff application. As for maturity and toxicity, imo are highly indifferent, so long as the ref displays a non biased and mature observation of a match, and good knowledge of the rules and punctual as well as the ability to make genuine and quick decisions.

    If referees are really to be chosen, behaviour on the match server as a player and also as a spectator should be noted more than behaviour in casual servers, where the ref wouldn't even have the power or rank to accomplish anything that they can in the match servers.

    Tl;dr refs should be based by their observation skills, non bias and punctuality in setting maps before matches, as well as decent to moderate maturity during matches, not on casual servers
     
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  20. Xelasi

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