Archer nerf+buff

they changed punch 2 to punch 1 already iirc

 

Necro's pick axe does more damage than an iron sword.
As well, I believe making the bow require full power to be shot has been suggested many times before.
IMO the main problem with archer currently is getting randomly sniped when you're minding your own business. The rate of instakills is way too fast.

 

remove insta kills

 

@Darth__Invader It's been brought up a lot before. I always say no- there are archers that can actually aim low powered arrows that don't bowspam.

 

Like you said, removing Archer's insta-kill would essentially promote bowspamming. I don't really know how to nerf or rework Archer without making the class completely useless.

 

I keep suggesting this. Keep archer's instakill but punish it for missing in some way. Keeps it's very strong ability but also encourages aim and skill instead of spamming arrows in 1 location.

Also, remove punch. All it does is encourage bowspam.

 

I like the idea of punishing for bad aim. I have an idea that would work best alongside that concept. My idea is having the probability of an instakill increase with distance - for example, at 30 blocks there would be a, say 33% chance of instakill, 35 blocks = 50% chance, 40 blocks = 75% chance, etc... (Note: my values were purely arbitrary)

So, the probabilistic nature would encourage bowspam (better odds of a kill), but the punishment aspect would counteract that, ideally.

 

that has the same problem as increasing the range for instakill in that you encourage camping and random shooting rather than tactical shots.

 

This would make both the player killed and the archer feel cheated out because it's luck that causes the kill. Skill is required to land the shot, but after that there's nothing you can do to guarantee that kill despite how much skill you have because it's entirely luck based. This would also make bowspam much more prominent and punish good archers.

I really thing just giving archer a simple punishment for missing while keeping its instakill would be much more effective at somewhat-fixing its insane instakill rate. Punishing bad archers, rewarding good archers, balance in between.

 

@GalaThundR you seem to be talking a lot about how your solution by punishing players for missing is the sensible option to solve these problems, but you haven't actually specified how you're going to be punishing them exactly. The way that punishment is handled could well end up making it better or worse than any ideas heard so far. What exactly did you have in mind?

 

Honestly I have no clue how the punishment would be handled. Damaging the archer if they miss can easily be countered by steak/medic. Having a cooldown if you miss could work but you might aswell just add a cooldown to shoot at any given time. You are right about how this is handled however. It could either improve or break the class.

I do believe some sort of punishment for missing will fix archer's instakill rate, it's just how this punishment is determined is the true factor how it will effect the class. It should act as incentive to shoot accurately and carefully, and make people actively try to make good shots instead of "shoot arrows over and over in their direction until one hits" like most archers do.

 

What if archers only start with 1 arrow. If it hits an enemy, you instantly get an arrow back, but if you don't hit anyone you have to wait a certain amount of seconds before you receive an arrow.

 

Well, this explanation goes some way but it isn't detailed enough to solve every problem with the class. If you hit a player, does that give an arrow back regardless? If so you're encouraging players to bowspam more accurately, not to avoid bowspam altogether. Additionally, how many arrows do you intend to start with? Giving archers a single arrow is obviously going to be a problem. You've also opened up a can of worms in that an archer could not potentially fire arrows for longer without needing to find a medic because as long as they keep hitting, they can essentially fire indefinitely. Would arrows be replenished by respawn? I could see certain players taking advantage of that.

 

40-50 arrows doesn't really give a sense of urgency. You can do a lot of damage with that number of arrows even without replenishment. Respawning to abuse that essentially makes the number infinite anyway (of course costing time, but that's about it) and at full health you do not die by respawning. Sure, you'll lose a killstreak but your kdr wouldn't suffer. Yes it's looked down on but a lot of people do don't care about the opinions of others anyway. Those details make that idea pretty ineffective.