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My levels are gone..@Vincz

Discussion in 'Discussion' started by MR_EVIL_OVERLORD, Jul 26, 2017.

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  1. SkullcrusherLD

    SkullcrusherLD Best-Known GSGer | Ex-War JMod

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    Heyheyhey, hold the phone. I'm 18 years old and our staff team has some people who are even older. I know 18 isn't old af, but it's definitely old enough for communication, don't worry. The same thing goes for most of our staff members btw. Anyway imo Vincz' case has nothing to do with a lack of communication, 50 % of the people here are still discussing about the punishmen itself. One PM which could have been sent isn't even a bad example, but nothing. Therefore: Yeah, communication is important, if you have any problems create a thread in 'Negative', give several serious examples from recent times and let the discussion start. But please let this punishment away, it's becoming ridiculous :/
    Let me put it that way: Wrong
     
  2. tallscot

    tallscot sceptiiiiiii

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    Wrong about Roke not playing or wrong about Rock knowing more than the rest of the staff team
    because Roke hasn't played in a long time lol and I'm sure rock knows more than you
     
  3. SkullcrusherLD

    SkullcrusherLD Best-Known GSGer | Ex-War JMod

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    Wrong about the Rock-knowing-more-than-everyone thing. But that's a little bit off-topic, sorry.
     
  4. PorkChops30

    PorkChops30 Well-Known Member

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    Oki, y'all need to calm down a bit and look at this for wat this is. A bunch of random people on the internet running a little server on minecraft deciding to fix something waaaayyyyy too late. They aren't some elite organized company of professionals. In fact, I bet half of them aren't old enough to drive lol. @Vincz u just have to get over it, it's just a meaningless number. @StaffTeam u guys punishing him 30 levels doesn't make sense when you guys let it pass for a year. Conclusion: the staff ****ed up but nobody cares. It's just a game, stop wasting your time arguing about this meaningless issue and get on with your lives.
     
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  5. MR_EVIL_OVERLORD

    MR_EVIL_OVERLORD Elite Legacy Legend | PRO | Genius Super Villain

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    This thread is about communication. Yes, Vincz case does have to do with communication.

    Or the lack thereof.

    This thread shed light on an issue. It's not intended to be "Negative." That might be how you and @BrawlIsMyCity seem to be taking it. If you are going to improve, you have to be open to feedback even if you don't like what it says about your performance.

    As service providers, you should be looking to improve your services to attract more members.

    Being too lazy to communicate is part of the larger cultural issue that permeates within the admin team and mods.
     
  6. Usp45

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    you are reading way too far into this lol
     
  7. MR_EVIL_OVERLORD

    MR_EVIL_OVERLORD Elite Legacy Legend | PRO | Genius Super Villain

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    Just keeping it real.
     
  8. Usp45

    Usp45 Well-Known Member

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    no, you arent.

    youre making a mountain out of a molehill
     
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  9. SoCool21

    SoCool21 Bans Reports & Appeals Admin | McPvPer for Life <3

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    I actively PM a decent amount of regulars who quit Brawl due to their issues with us, and from that feedback I have completely changed how I moderate in-game and deal with appeals. Not only this, but I've attempted to read every idea thread posted for every gamemode, and voiced my opinions on it for any that I'm familiar with. I am open to feedback, but when someone is complaining about something like this (this is easily the most absurd complaints I've ever seen, possibly even topping the time when people got annoyed when we 'became McPvP' as an April Fools joke), this is when I'll defend Brawl.

    Yes, I think communication between staff and the community (hell, staff and other staff too) needs improvements. However, it is blatantly obvious to anyone with a shred of common sense that Vincz lost levels because of him glitching loads of them. Assuming everyone lacks common sense when we deal with situations is discrediting to the community, if anything.
     
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    Was it necessary to inform Vincz before the action taken?
    - No, it wasn't as it's not necessary for staff to inform a player in advance before he gets banned or punished.
     
  11. Lekosa1

    Lekosa1 mineman

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    I feel like both sides will agree here, but remember, I'm not talking about the lack of communication; I'm talking about the original event: I think putty kind of failed this case in the first place.

    When putty PM'd about Vincz about his level he decided not to reset his level which he should've done (obviously because it was glitched). I don't know if Vincz said anything about that it was a glitch, but you don't need to be the smartest pencil in the pencil case to realize a person can't get 60 levels instantly.

    In conclusion, putty should've resetted his level right away. And remember I'm not taking part in the miscommunication discussion; just pointing out who made the first mistake.

    EDIT: Not quite sure about how the whole level thing etc. happened, but my main point, about putty, is still as a valid.
     
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  12. MR_EVIL_OVERLORD

    MR_EVIL_OVERLORD Elite Legacy Legend | PRO | Genius Super Villain

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    I would not say you are open to feedback. If anything you've taken a we are right because we make and enforce the rules approach.

    If you were open to feedback you might have acknowledged some take aways to change things or improve operations. You've already said communications are poor with the staff. the community already knows this that is why we want you guys to get your act together.
     
  13. Vincz

    Vincz Brawl Player

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    You do know that chickenputty PMed me about it, not the other way around.
    But thanks for the compliment about my manners I guess :grinning:
     
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  14. Lekosa1

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    Oops, was just thinking about that when I was eating. Gonna edit it, though my point is still valid.
     
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  15. tallscot

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    what

    what he said is completely relevant to the conversation, he didn't "read too far in" whatsoever lol
     
  16. SoCool21

    SoCool21 Bans Reports & Appeals Admin | McPvPer for Life <3

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    I don't believe this improvement is necessary - it's blatantly obvious why he lost levels. Just like when I was originally permbanned from the forums: I didn't get a message saying why I was banned, the ban reason was simply "Continuous rule violations" (which is incredibly vague), but it's not hard to use a bit of common sense for me to realise why I was banned...
     
  17. Vincz

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    It's about the fact that nobody asked me for any information or whatsoever.

    And don't turn this around on me telling chickenputty that 'I got it legit', because that's just a reason you can make up afterwards. The serverteam always decides what has happened in any situation by themselves, without ever being involved in the situation.
    The lack of asking people for clarification before a punishment or judgement is a bigger issue on Brawl and it's the point I'm trying to make.

    It is similar to the situation with 'Candy', if I may believe the story on https://www.change.org/p/brawl-staff-team-unban-candy#share
    Appearently you banned someone without asking for clarification and you appearently didn't know the context. Sounds familiar to me.
     
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  18. sjuka_legogubbar

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    That's just like saying "kys", you'll get muted for it even though you joke as we don't tolerante death wishes (or hack threats in this case), we cannot ask every single time someone says something if it's a joke or not - not just because you can simply just say that it was a joke and get away with it but also because it will make our volunteer work way harder and there will be too much arguing. If one think they get punished the wrong way he/she can always apply.

    Noone have complaied about this (except the one getting punished but rules are made to be followed and it's usually the same players breaking chat rules over and over) when it comes to for example death wishes. I know there's a difference, both punishments wise and what harm that can be done to the victim (if there is one).

    However, my point is that wheather it's a death wish or maybe a ddos threat or a hack threat we cannot go and ask everyone if they are joking or not.
     
  19. featherpaw

    featherpaw Your friendly neighborhood kitten! :3

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    I think both of you are talking about two different things here. Socool, I don't think overlord has an issue with the fact that his leels were reset. I believe what overlord is upset about is the fact that vincz wasn't told prior. We can drop the argument about the levels being changed because yea he glitched and his levels should've been reset, so we're past that. Now we are trying to combat the lack of communication.

    I know you noticed it when you resigned and I noticed it after I resigned. We went from knowing mostly everything to literally knowing nothing (aside from what friends tell us). Understand that from their position that's all they've known. They never got to know the stuff we know now and they aren't being kept in the loop at all.

    It's the little things like chickenslayr getting ww sheriff manager or sig takin over war 2.0. These were never told to us and because of that we feel like the staff just don't care. I know you do because I've been on the staff team before, but I'm looking at it from a normal player standpoint. This is what we're trying to fix. And it's super easy to do. So I honestly am not upset. I just don't know why it isn't being done more. The community stick around because they care about the server. Not all will go for staff, but I think they'd like to be more of a part of the server and by communicating ideas and projects (when they're actually being coded to completion) I believe they'll have that small satisfaction of knowing that they did something to help (whether it be by creating an idea that was implemented, gave feedback that created changes, or made a map that was added)
     
  20. SoCool21

    SoCool21 Bans Reports & Appeals Admin | McPvPer for Life <3

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    My example was relevant to his issue: when I was punished, my ban reason was very vague but I still was able to guess what exactly I was punished for (and accepted it - in my case, leave in-game and come back in a few months appealing).

    I do think that transparency could increase with some things (such as officially saying those minor things you listed, although I have said these things on the forums before), but in this situation I just do not see the point. The only way I think this could've been improved is a full blown stat reset and this being dealt with much earlier (i.e, when it happened). Next time something like this happens, if ever, I'll make sure it's dealt with as soon as possible. However, PMing someone telling them the reason despite it being so obvious is just unnecessary in my opinion - he was already told with the /warn command.

    We can't tell the community every little project we're working on, because they won't always come to tuition. See that Future of Brawl thread that Chap made - how many gamemodes on there were actually released? Most of them aren't even being worked on now. Brawl's biggest issue, it's inability to release War 2.0 after so long, is because of Chap being too transparent. Now that Putty's taken over, projects are being kept more secret until we can guarantee they will be released, and since then no issues have occurred with this.

    I do think transparency needs to be improved, but we can't just go about telling everyone everything that's going on behind the scenes - this'll just cause too many issues, like it has done before.
     
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